How to tell if a girl is interested in you

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Ziyaret
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23 Nov 2007, 4:50 pm

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23 Nov 2007, 4:53 pm

Ziyaret wrote:
I find it rather curious(not the SARCASM) that articles asserting that men and women are more or less the same(psychologically)and attribute behavioral differences to evironmental and social factors all come from Psychology publications and Not Neurology/Neuroscience publications.

Not the sarcasm, or note the sarcasm? Not meant to make a big deal about typos, but this is important, as it could have a huge impact on the meaning of your post.

Also, I can't tell if you're mainly commenting that it isn't surprising that neuroscience / neurology publications wouldn't be putting out things on environmental and social factors. (Which it isn't... -_-)



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23 Nov 2007, 4:59 pm

I was pointing out that the propents of the theory that hardwired behavioural differences between the genders are negligible draw their evidence from statistics and not from neuroscience. The also religiously believe in the Tabular Rasa theory of mind.



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23 Nov 2007, 5:06 pm

Ziyaret wrote:
I was pointing out that the propents of the theory that hardwired behavioural differences between the genders are negligible draw their evidence from statistics and not from neuroscience. The also religiously believe in the Tabular Rasa theory of mind.

Plenty can be learned from statistics, as long as you are willing to accept that it doesn't have to signify causation. At least in terms of things like psychology. Trends and patterns can be seen. More than anything, it is a mistake to ignore either aspects of study and research solely for the other, regardless of the reason given.

That argument could be broken down to effectively the same area as nature / nurture. Many frequently act like a "side" has to be picked. Why the hell not nature and nurture?



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23 Nov 2007, 5:15 pm

I agree with you there Shadexii.Statistics can be used to find patterns, but their is the serious issue of bias. Stats are frequently used to promote an agenda, where the proponents cherry-pick samples that fit their expectations or desires of what the statistical data will show. Its easy to casually dismiss the David Reimer case as a "statistical outlier", but that begs the question: WHY is the Reimer case a statistical outlier? What is the cause? The Reimer case is a potent counterexample because there is a Bio/Physiological explanation for the results. If gender differences are the result of "nuture" than raising a boy as a girl should result in a man who behaves like a woman-it DIDNT. The last 2 paragraphs of that article state that Hyde was troubled by statistical data that did not suit her agenda. She didnt "prove" anything, though she certainly makes a claim. If she intends to prove her hypothesis than that would warrant a PHYSICAL experiement to produce results contrary to claims of neurology and neuroscience.



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23 Nov 2007, 5:29 pm

So Yesplease: WHY are you so certain that women rape as often(or nearly so)as men do??


I find this on wikipedia-this article thankfully cites its sources(including the NCVA):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_se ... by_females



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23 Nov 2007, 5:52 pm

Guys, this thread has gotten way off topic. If you want to post about Indicators of interest, or something relevant to that topic, feel free to do so. However, the conversation about rape has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, or even (one could argue) with love and dating.

The purpose of this thread is to help out guys who are having trouble determining whether or not a girl is interested in them. As this is a big problem for Aspies, I suggest that we get back on topic.

Please either take this argument to another thread or forum, or just stop arguing now.



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23 Nov 2007, 5:58 pm

Ziyaret wrote:
So Yesplease: WHY are you so certain that women rape as often(or nearly so)as men do??
I never said that women rape as often or nearly as often as men do. :roll:

Going back OT. I wonder if we could measure and figure out how symmetrical we are in order to guage attractiveness and help us figure out how much/often IOIs are present.



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24 Nov 2007, 3:06 am

Good idear yesplease, I wonder how on earth we got sidetracked to debating gender differences in thread about how to pick up on IOI.Hmm, Ive never thought of such a thing but there should be a symmetry index which is a function of how symmetrical or asymetrical a person is: the larget the index the greater the disparity ratio between orthogonal axes of an area of the body.



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24 Nov 2007, 1:25 pm

The tricky thing is that while a high degree of symmetry may make someone more attractive overall, there's still specific traits that are likely desired depending on the person. For instance, I don't find women who are the same race I am nearly as attractive as women of other races, so... We would need a decent framework, and I have no clue where to find one. :lol:

That being said, I have a sneaking suspicion that some of the ASD traits/comorbid conditions may be seen as indicative of other mental issues, which may be a concern. I mean, just having a higher degree of symmetry could be useless if the other metrics for whether someone is attractive all blow.



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24 Nov 2007, 1:45 pm

Ah, I see you went back to the topic.
I would like to blurt out something about symmetry, the mention serves as a trigger.

Symmetry is a practical measurement of over-all stability and resistance, as it shows how well any given individual withstood the "biological noise" and other interferences during fetal development. These interferences are to a wide extent unavoidable (wide, not absolute), thus it is often interpreted as "strenght" rather than "luck". And yes, I know that there is no conscious evaluation of all this in the sexual selection, it is simply easier for me to express it as if there were.


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