would you like to have amazing success with women?
How can someone understand you if she doesn't know you?
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Quite honestly - no. Being a specific kind of guy actually seems like a huge blessing. I've seen far too many lives ruined by people who's luck with the opposite sex came back on them pretty hard. I'd much rather be able to know what I want, evaluate what I want, and keep my distance safely rather than having girls who I'm in theory attracted to but who could never let me be me work their way into my life and anchor into the floor boards, get attached with my friends, have all the unwritten contracts in place with me, and feeling like I'm trying to pull hundreds of little hooks out of my skin in purging them from my life - its seems like a nightmare.
My big wish though - I wish I had better luck with myself. Its almost impossible for me to meet anyone I have chemistry with I've gone out with quite a few girls who were awesome and I really wish I could have felt something with them but for whatever reason its real angular for me.
However, most of the advice is completely wrong, albeit good intentioned.
I've spent hundreds of hours going out at night to clubs and bars in order to figure out how "romance" works. If you haven't spent as much time going out studying this stuff as I have or if you're a virgin, please don't try to argue with me based on the limited experience you think you have.
I'm going to be sharing my knowledge with you guys through concise no-bs tidbits of knowledge that I plan to post regularly to this thread.
The first piece of advice I'm going to give is this: STOP CARING ABOUT THE OUTCOMES OF INDIVIDUAL INTERACTIONS WITH SPECIFIC WOMEN because as an aspie guy you do not start out socially calibrated and will end up messing up hundreds of opportunities to get laid before actually becoming good at interacting with women. Getting frustrated at this process will not help you become good with women.
Also, if you don't want to dedicate a substantial amount of time to going out and interacting with women, stop reading now because this is a waste of your time. Go back to your internet porn and nights alone.
Anyway, I have an exam to study for so I'll leave you to think about whether you want to go down this rabbit hole and begin the journey towards massive success with women.
I've never had considerable success with women romantically, although now I am at the threshold of a potential relationship, which I am very happy and excited about
But I believe there are 3 things that will get women to notice you:
1. Humor
2. Confidence
3. Flirtatious behavior
My belief is this, humor can just about dissolve any tension you have with a person. If you can make someone laugh, chances are they will like you and therefore trust you overtime. The girl I am doing well with now was first attracted to me because I made her laugh so much with playful sarcasm, teasing, and make silly or outrageous allusions or statements. I think girls love funny guys
From there, after the gal is not scared or suspicious of you, you can ask her if she'd like to go do something sometime with you, like grab a bite to eat somewhere or hang out at a certain place. I believe you can only get to this point if the girl trusts you already. If she is interested, she'll say something like "Sure, that sounds great", to which one would say "Great, when would you be free to hang out?" and try to narrow it to a time and location. This part involves the "confidence" and good timing.
Ex. "Hey Rebbecca, I was wondering if you wanted to hang out sometime, like grab a bite to eat or just hang out?"
R: "Sure, that sounds like a lot of fun"
"Great, so when would you be available to hang out?"
etc, etc, etc, and so forth
After meeting a couple times and hanging out, if she like you, she'll start showing it physically by smiling a lot or gazing at you a lot. At this point, flirtatious behavior is great because it is mischievous and suggestive, and it always leaves the girl in suspense of what might happen. I typically use playful suggestion, both sexual and non sexual, to charm. It is never meant to be serious, but it is playful.
Like I told the gal I liked that I thought about taking her to the movies because "there is just something so desirable and fun about being in a dark room with no one watching us. I can certainly think of one or two things I'd like to do while watching a movie "
She also told me a story about a couple who were caught fooling around sexually in a dressing cubicle at the mall (she works at a mall). I said "Well that certainly sounds like a lot of fun, that certainly would be something I'd like to do sometime . Would you like to do that with me sometime? Just don't make too much noise and we won't get caught "
The thing is to make playful suggestion but also to let the girl know that you aren't serious at all. If you've already charmed her with humor, she probably won't take you too seriously, but it is a good idea to make sure she knows. That's my advice
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Why no. I don't want amazing success with women.
I would never have any 'me' time, if I was amazingly successful every night I would head back to my room with intentions of going to sleep after a long day and upon opening the door proclaim "who let these hoes in my room?" Talk about sleep deprivation.
Valentine's day would still suck, only for a different, more expensive reason.
Not to mention being successful with the ladies would totally ruin masturbation.
But if you do want to raise your level of success with women, I have a suggestion:
Black women.
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I don't know if aspies would really like the city... I mean, I've lived 20 minutes from the George Washington my entire life, and I've only gone into the city 7 times... 4 of those were for school field trips during middle school (and a fifth to see the Intrepid back when I was into naval history for a while)... the other two were for church-related functions...
I guess you could get used to it eventually, but the city is definitely overwhelming... try living just outside one instead... that way you don't have to be isolated, but at the same time you're not overwhelmed...
If you live in nyc, though, you have to worry about double taxes... that is, people who live in jersey but commute into the city have to pay income tax to both the state of new jersey and nyc's municipal government...
some do, some don't.
yeah cities are different nyc may or may not be for him.
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I would never have any 'me' time, if I was amazingly successful every night I would head back to my room with intentions of going to sleep after a long day and upon opening the door proclaim "who let these hoes in my room?" Talk about sleep deprivation.
Valentine's day would still suck, only for a different, more expensive reason.
Not to mention being successful with the ladies would totally ruin masturbation.
But if you do want to raise your level of success with women, I have a suggestion:
Black women.
I heard also that asian men and black women are very undesirable in white-dominated countries while black men and asian women are desirable.
There was a thread about this phenomena , and there were tons of theories there but I still stand for my theory and I humbly say that my theory is the most logical and the likely to be 100% correct (narcissist moment ) :
Asian women are desirable because they have so feminine traits :small body, shortness, soft voice , soft skinn, asian eyes. ==> Asian women are seen as very feminine women.
While Asian men* are undesirable because they share those same traits: small body, shortness, soft voice , soft skinn, asian eyes... those traits are seen as unmanly in most cultures= ==> Asian men are not seen as manly men , there's even a stereotype about how small their penises are.
Same for blacks but it's in the other way around:
American African men are desirable because they have masculine traits : Huge, tallness, deep voice , thick skin , big nose , dark skin ...etc. All these traits are typically masculine ==> Black men are seen as masculine.
American African women have the same traits that their men do and so they are seen as unfeminine and that's why they are often undesirable by men.
It's not a coincidence that so many European UN soldiers (most of them are Germans ,Norwegian and Spanish units) are dating girls here while I see none of the Indian/Pakistani/Asian UN units dating anyone here , all of them have unusual physical traits to the locals, yet Europeans are far more desired , most probably because they look more masculine than the Indian/Asians and even Middle-easterns. lol.
Natural selection is also racist.
Sad but it's true.
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Black women.
Eh, I don't know if this hold 100% true, but you might be onto something. I know someone who came to the US from Belarus about 10 years ago (he speaks Russian and some Polish, however). I'm sort-of-friends with him; we hang out, but I only see him once or twice a month. I noticed that black women respond to him really well when he tells them he immigrated from Belarus. I jokingly suggested that he capitalizes on the opportunity and dates of one of them, but he says he wants to date someone closer to him culturally.
I myself find Latina women very attractive, and would be open to dating one. Luckily, I know Spanish pretty well, so this helps me talk to them easier, and gets them to respond better to me.
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Same for blacks but it's in the other way around:
American African men are desirable because they have masculine traits : Huge, tallness, deep voice , thick skin , big nose , dark skin ...etc. All these traits are typically masculine ==> Black men are seen as masculine.
American African women have the same traits that their men do and so they are seen as unfeminine and that's why they are often undesirable by men.
I have to say I agree, though I'd have to add that virile Asian guys and feminine African-American women are made all the more attractive than their Caucasian or Latino counterparts by that factor. As a guy I'd even go as far as to say that with all things were equal, that I was talking to two really awesome girls, both equally attractive and one was white where the other was African American or mocha Latino - I'd go for the later, far better chemistry (of course there's the Lakeview Terrace issue but that's something separate).
I like Latina women myself, but they are the only minority group from which I would date.
I guess that "ethinc" women are less familiar to the white preppy culture, so they would be less turned off by awkward and incorrect attempts at flirting. White girls who are in tune with white culture and the proper dating ritual are likely going to be less forgiving when a White guy with AS commits a faux pas. White girls seem more likely to expect a white guy to know all of the "correct" things to do in a social situation. A girl from a different culture just might regard an AS personality as foreign instead of creepy.
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I guess that "ethinc" women are less familiar to the white preppy culture, so they would be less turned off by awkward and incorrect attempts at flirting. White girls who are in tune with white culture and the proper dating ritual are likely going to be less forgiving when a White guy with AS commits a faux pas. White girls seem more likely to expect a white guy to know all of the "correct" things to do in a social situation. A girl from a different culture just might regard an AS personality as foreign instead of creepy.
I'd also think that if you have lets say a girl of that kind of descent who is atypical in that her personality doesn't follow the norms, someone who is an artistic free-thinker, maybe a bit of a nerd, you have all the bridges set in place. Especially when someone like that would want to reach across and date a Caucasian you know that she's her own person - that kind if independence from any ethnicity is a definite turn on.
My tendency though, like I mentioned in the accents thread - I would not want to try and be with someone of another world region who hasn't already Americanized to the extent that she will. I say that because you don't want to be with someone who will wake up next to you one day and see you in all the ways that your classic snobby American girl would, its a ticking time bomb if she hasn't already found a stable sense of self over here yet.
Same for blacks but it's in the other way around:
American African men are desirable because they have masculine traits : Huge, tallness, deep voice , thick skin , big nose , dark skin ...etc. All these traits are typically masculine ==> Black men are seen as masculine.
American African women have the same traits that their men do and so they are seen as unfeminine and that's why they are often undesirable by men.
I have to say I agree, though I'd have to add that virile Asian guys and feminine African-American women are made all the more attractive than their Caucasian or Latino counterparts by that factor. As a guy I'd even go as far as to say that with all things were equal, that I was talking to two really awesome girls, both equally attractive and one was white where the other was African American or mocha Latino - I'd go for the later, far better chemistry (of course there's the Lakeview Terrace issue but that's something separate).
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then why 70% of black women are single? and why asian men have it harder than asian women?
About the artistic, free-spirited, liberal type girl that you described:
I am a staunch conservative first of all, so I have a hard time relating. Not that idealogical differences are really a huge barrier, but it is kind of a roadblock. I am open to dating anyone from any walk of life(provided that they are Caucasian or Latino and decently attractive.)
The main thing I have noticed is that these type of girls typically have kind of a narrow idea of the type of guy they want. Even though you would think that they might be more open-minded, they seem to prefer a very specific type of guy.
Well, quite frankly, since we are being honest; I don't like black or asian women. I don't find women from these minority groups to be attractive in the least. Really, I am opposed to the whole interracial dating thing in the first place. I find black women, for the most part to be extremely mannish and I am just not attracted to them. I can't stand the frizzy hair, the voluptuous build, and they tend to have a certain odor that turns me off. Plus, they tend to have very assertive, dominant, and obtrusive personalities and get easily offended by everything. I just say, "no" to black women. Not in 1000 years.
I would feel uncomfortable raising visibly interracial kids. I want my kids to look like me and I want to carry on White-European culture.
So after that let me restate again that I am not racist and it is just a matter of personal preference. I am just stating my reason to you why I will only date white or latina girls.
I might be open to it if a lighter-skinned black woman like Halle Berry came along, but that is about the only scenario.
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