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27 Dec 2018, 8:14 am

I just feel people don’t take into account individual situations.

It’s not good to make assumptions.

People’s lives are more complex.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:15 am

I feel like people read things. Macroeconomic things...then assume they are like Gospel.

From what I read, I should have been an Incel virgin who never can get a job.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:34 am

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You're making assumptions about what you don't know. Inverted snobbery.

You're making assumptions about me, thank you very much, and they are incorrect. I made a statement so the young men here might stop idealising wealth as a curative, not to be a snob in any form or against any group or class of people. Yes, I have met rich people who incur huge debt or go bankrupt with frivolous spending. I have also met wealthy people who are careful with their money as you describe. Likewise, I know people facing unemployment, underemployment, or extreme financial hardship who either live within their means or don't. All people are different and I did not generalise or pass judgement on anyone, other than to say money isn't a magic fix-all for finding happiness.

I wish you knew me better, Hurtloam, because I'm the farthest you could get from being a snob in either direction. I don't believe I need to disclose my family's or my personal financial status, which is quite sound, but I wanted the gentlemen posting to have a balanced perspective. A six figure income is not required to win a partner's love.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:37 am

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Inverted snobbery is a thing.

I'm sure it may well be. But, it's not my thing.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:40 am

Then don't tell them generalisations.

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The rich often go further into debt than the "non-rich", because they feel entitled to having the best of everything. Then, their marriages implode and they get a cold, hard wake-up call about divorce costs, child support, alimony and debt repayment which often includes bankruptcy.

I feel this adds to the all people with money are bad thing that gets repeated here. People doing well are jerks trope.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:41 am

Commies are usually very inverted snobs.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:43 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

I just feel people don’t take into account individual situations.

It’s not good to make assumptions.

People’s lives are more complex.

Yes. I think this is true.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:45 am

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Then don't tell them generalisations.

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Generalization is usually based on something common, but what she is saying is not even common or based on any stats.

Losing money due to divorce can happen to any class.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:46 am

I just feel people should stop listening to all the crap that’s on the Internet, and really go out there and be amongst real people.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:54 am

Oh dear God. I'm not a commie.
This is out of hand.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:54 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

Prometheus18 wrote:

hurtloam wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

sly279 wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

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IsabellaLinton wrote:

Also, take a look around at the men who are married, mowing their lawns and shovelling their snow. I don't see many of that article's description (if any) in my family-oriented neighbourhood. If you believe the article you'd believe all married men looked or achieved like that. Most of the married guys I know are entirely average, but very good men at heart.

Okay. So these men in your "family oriented neighborhood" may not possess the six sixes. But they all have at least one thing going for them: financial security.

Why would you infer that? As my brother always says "it's not how much you earn, it's how much you owe". Some people who earn higher salaries get themselves further into debt, because of their ability to borrow money with ease. Some of the families in my area overspend, some are frugal yet continue struggling. Many families have both partners working full time and they spend nearly their entire salaries on day care. Some have addictions to gambling or drugs which also jeopardise their security. It's easy to idealise but we can't know the truth until we walk in people's shoes.

Al stuff someone like me can’t do.
No one will Loan me any money. Everyone except the rich go into debt to get houses, cars etc. which is what most women expect and want sadly.

Ok now that's just conjecture. Do you really know rich people in debt? I know rich people and they are really careful with their money. That's why they have money.

It's a general rule that those who are born into money are frivolous with it, while those who worked from poverty to obtain it are more careful. My grandfather was a cobbler for most of his adult life, yet even after having made a fortune on the stock market in the 1970s, he still shops at Wilkinson, wears baseball caps and won't spend more than £5 on a bottle of wine.

My grandfather was born into money and was very stingy with his money. My Dad grew up in a mansion and went to a private school. Also very careful with money as are his siblings.
You're making assumptions about what you don't know. Inverted snobbery.

Did you just call me a snob?

I think she was calling me a snob, which I don't greatly mind, but for the fact that the conclusion rests on two fallacies; the first being that one cannot state general truths about a social group without oneself being a part of that group, the second being that a general statement about a group must be equally true of all of its members.

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27 Dec 2018, 8:59 am

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Oh dear God. I'm not a commie.
This is out of hand.

Oh so you do believe in God, that means you’re no commie.

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27 Dec 2018, 9:03 am

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IsabellaLinton wrote:

Oh dear God. I'm not a commie.
This is out of hand.

Oh so you do believe in God, that means you’re no commie.

I'm an active member of the Anglican church and I give a significant amount to charity.
But, saying that, I'll be labelled worse than commie.

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27 Dec 2018, 9:07 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

Oh dear God. I'm not a commie.
This is out of hand.

Oh so you do believe in God, that means you’re no commie.

I'm an active member of the Anglican church and I give a significant amount to charity.
But, saying that, I'll be labelled worse than commie.

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I am poor. Gimme money.

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27 Dec 2018, 9:09 am

Boo stop winding her up. She doesn't get the joke.

I'm sorry Isabella, based on past comments in L&D I was thinking of how you're words of encouragement might backfire and I was trying to mitigate that. Got too personal.

It's not really worth arguing over.

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27 Dec 2018, 9:15 am

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Was it really a joke? :mrgreen:

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