Growing up and done with bad boys

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19 Jun 2012, 7:15 pm

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It's not contradictory. My line throughout this story has been that the type of women attracted to 'bad boys' are good for a short-term thing, but not a relationship, as I'd know too well what they're up to. Mainly, my problem is with the precedent they've set before trying to move on to something more stable. They've had ten, fifteen years of excitement and adventure, and then expect someone to fall in love with them in the long term as they become 'more mature', meaning their looks fade, they're having trouble getting laid twice a night and they'd look pathetic smoking pot or whatever they're doing these days with the bad boys.

I love hyperbole. However, the core of the issue is very true - I wouldn't date a woman who admitted feeling more attracted to any other men than to me. That would be a clear message to me - she's not able to get the men she really wants, and she just needs financial and emotional security. For me, and most men I've discussed that hypothetical situation with, that would be an invitation to hump and dump. The free ride is over, lady.


Ha, sometimes I think it's just hormones. There is even evidence that women will be more attracted to bad boys (masculine men) during the time in her cycle where she is fertile, and a study which shows the effect of contraception of attraction. Women are more likely to date men who are less masculine when they are on these hormonal birth controls, so they say to go off the pill for a bit if you are going to make any long-term plans, just to make sure that you are still attracted.


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19 Jun 2012, 7:20 pm

Oh, where do I fit?



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19 Jun 2012, 7:22 pm

I came in here to argue but have yet to find a post making enough sense to be able to argue against.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:24 pm

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Oh, where do I fit?


In a box?



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19 Jun 2012, 7:24 pm

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I came in here to argue but have yet to find a post making enough sense to be able to argue against.


*Gives sensible argument*



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19 Jun 2012, 7:26 pm

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shrox wrote:
Oh, where do I fit?


In a box?


If it's with a fox, like hipster chick...

You Miss Kinme, are delightful, but too young to live in a box with me.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:27 pm

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I came in here to argue but have yet to find a post making enough sense to be able to argue against.


Anything specific I can get you? What's your opinion?



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19 Jun 2012, 7:28 pm

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Oh, where do I fit?


In a box?


If it's with a fox, like hipster chick...

You Miss Kinme, are delightful, but too young to live in a box with me.


She's too busy with her dating arrangements this Friday.

Kinme doesn't rhyme with box, therefore, I cannot be anywhere near said box, you arctic fox.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:29 pm

Kinme wrote:
shrox wrote:
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shrox wrote:
Oh, where do I fit?


In a box?


If it's with a fox, like hipster chick...

You Miss Kinme, are delightful, but too young to live in a box with me.


She's too busy with her dating arrangements this Friday.

Kinme doesn't rhyme with box, therefore, I cannot be anywhere near said box, you arctic fox.


Glad I brought extra sox.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:31 pm

shrox wrote:
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shrox wrote:
Kinme wrote:
shrox wrote:
Oh, where do I fit?


In a box?


If it's with a fox, like hipster chick...

You Miss Kinme, are delightful, but too young to live in a box with me.


She's too busy with her dating arrangements this Friday.

Kinme doesn't rhyme with box, therefore, I cannot be anywhere near said box, you arctic fox.


Glad I brought extra sox.


And I brought the clocks.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:31 pm

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Aw man, this is starting to seem like it's women vs men here.

It seems contradictory to me the one can idealise the women who date bad boy after bad boy, by saying they are attractive so men want to sleep with them, and then the next moment saying these women have loose morals, so you do not want to have a relationship with them. Make up your mind!


It's not contradictory. My line throughout this story has been that the type of women attracted to 'bad boys' are good for a short-term thing, but not a relationship, as I'd know too well what they're up to. Mainly, my problem is with the precedent they've set before trying to move on to something more stable. They've had ten, fifteen years of excitement and adventure, and then expect someone to fall in love with them in the long term as they become 'more mature', meaning their looks fade, they're having trouble getting laid twice a night and they'd look pathetic smoking pot or whatever they're doing these days with the bad boys.

I love hyperbole. However, the core of the issue is very true - I wouldn't date a woman who admitted feeling more attracted to any other men than to me. That would be a clear message to me - she's not able to get the men she really wants, and she just needs financial and emotional security. For me, and most men I've discussed that hypothetical situation with, that would be an invitation to hump and dump. The free ride is over, lady.


Brilliant.



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19 Jun 2012, 7:51 pm

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
MXH wrote:
I came in here to argue but have yet to find a post making enough sense to be able to argue against.


Anything specific I can get you? What's your opinion?


cant argue with you as i find what youve said to be 100% true. I hear too often "ohh just wait 10 years and youll be swiming with women" when in reality it means those women finally grew out of being with thugs and such who were going nowhere and want to be with a guy that has something to offer. And im not up for that



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19 Jun 2012, 8:02 pm

If anyone wants to do some reading, this could be a good topic of discussion:

http://ca.askmen.com/dating/dating_advi ... -last.html

I'd say it has a good point.


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19 Jun 2012, 8:04 pm

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If anyone wants to do some reading, this could be a good topic of discussion:

http://ca.askmen.com/dating/dating_advi ... -last.html

I'd say it has a good point.


Those chicks' boobies look like balloons. I wonder if they'll fly around the room if I pop them.



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19 Jun 2012, 10:57 pm

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Love addicts commonly and repeatedly form an addictive relationship with emotionally unavailable Avoidant partners[citation needed]. The Avoidant partner is compulsively counter-dependent – they fear being engulfed/drowned/smothered by their love addict partner. Love addicts enter relationships with emotionally closed-off individuals who will let nothing and no one in, which makes intimate relationships impossible. Behind their emotional walls, hides low self-esteem and feel if they become truly known (display emotional intimacy) - no one would ever love, accept, and value who they are. Avoidants are attracted to people who have difficulty thinking for themselves, having healthy emotional boundaries, or taking care of themselves in healthy manners- the love addict.


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Love addicts and Avoidants form relationships that inevitably lead to unhealthy patterns of dependency, distance, chaos, and often abuse. Nevertheless, however unsatisfactory the relationship, 'love addicts hang on and on, because it is what they know'.[18] Familiarity is the central engine of their relationship. Each is attracted to the other specifically because of the familiar traits that the other exhibits, and although painful, come from childhood.


Yep. That's my thing, though I've not figured out the psychobabble terms for it (and wow, psychobabble is in my Linux spell check) yeah, makes sense. For me personally, I'm quite emotionally closed off, so yeah. I do attract girls like that a bit, but I'm scared off at sharing any emotional intimacy, and sorta exposing my "true self" that is quite vulnerable, so I don't. So my dating problems are less that women all hate me, or I'm a "nice guy" or whatever, it's just I don't like exposing myself emotionally. And religiously, I'm not supposed to be promiscuous, so that avenue is closed, too. So I just don't date. It doesn't help I'm TERRIBLE at picking up on girl's flirting with me, and as some have read on this board, I've blundered hugely when girls have tried to flirt with me, ie, "So do you know anything fun to do around here?" "Oh no, I don't do anything fun." I figure eventually with time, either a girl will be persistent as all hell and eventually crack me open, or I'll overcome myself. But until then, yeah...

But, I repeat, my love/dating problems aren't because all women are terrible and dumb, though some are, maybe even the majority (though the majority of most things are dumb and bad anyway) and many of the points brought up by these "hater" guys here are quite valid.

Maybe the whole "An intellectual is someone who's found something more interesting than sex." is true afterall. Or I just need to get laid. Who knows.



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20 Jun 2012, 1:31 am

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I used to want a dark, brooding, exciting guy, someone who was free like me. I wanted someone misunderstood and someone wild I could tame. Then I got hurt. And hurt. And hurt again. I was naive, and these boys knew just what to say to make me feel understood and wanted. I was lied to and cheated on. I want a guy who won't go out partying with his friends and then cheat on me with some slut he met at the bar. I want a guy who rather just stay in and watch an intelligent movie or listen to interesting music. I'm tired of guys who just want to rush into something physical. Maybe I should just find a nice guy with Aspergers!



Just find yourself a normal guy with a good job.