[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?

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[Males only please] Would you marry a feminist?
Poll ended at 14 May 2014, 10:52 pm
Yes 57%  57%  [ 25 ]
No 43%  43%  [ 19 ]
Total votes : 44

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15 May 2014, 7:01 pm

Okay folks, with all of the posts, we're staying at the top the forum, but we're not getting a lot of new votes. For those of you who can't see, here is where the vote stands.

Yes 56% [ 25 ]
No 43% [ 19 ]
Total Votes : 44

So, get out the vote!



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15 May 2014, 9:58 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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Kurgan wrote:
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ripped wrote:
I was wondering if male WP users find feminists attractive or not, or whether it is a total deal breaker.


Feminism is an umbrella term. Wanting women and men to have equal rights is no dealbreaker to me. Blaming men for your shortcomings, or running around topless, acting as if other women are helpless victims that need your saving, are dealbreakers.


1. What the hell is wrong with running around topless, unless it's cold outside? You just said you're for equal rights; well, men run around topless. If you don't like it and can't grow up, go back into your house, and stop staring at the lady sunbathing in her own yard next door.

2. Other women often are helpless victims. That's why domestic violence shelters exist and why there are lawyers who specialize in Title IX, harassment, sexual discrimination, and rape/DV cases. To name a few areas in which many women do need protection.


You're missing my point. I was referring to Femen and their copycats. I didn't say that sunbathing topless should be illegal, but if any relative or friend of me did so in public, it would still embarass me.

As far as your second paragraph goes, not everyone who wears a hijab or lives with a religious husband need Femen's saving.

Rape is about individuals; promoting the idea that most men approve of rape and would indeed do so, does the cause no good.


Okay, since I said nothing about most men's approving of rape, I'm going to assume you skipped out of the conversation and went to argue with FEMEN. However. While I don't think most men approve of rape (actually there've been campus studies, and iirc the number of young men approving of rape, so long as it wasn't actually *called* rape but was instead a described rape, was around 37%), I do very much think men participate willingly in looking the other way when a woman's being abused, and when language and situations abusive to women are in place around them. While I know guys like to think of themselves as the kind of guys who'd be the alleyway hero during a rape (all these imaginary rapes in alleys), if a woman comes to work with bruises, it's a rare fellow who'll mention it directly to her and attempt to help her. If the coworkers like to talk filthy about women, it's exceptionally unusual that a guy will say, "uh, that's wrong and certainly inappropriate, is that really how you think of women?" I can't remember ever -- ever -- having seen a man turn in another man who sexually harasses women at work, or even admit to having seen it go on. There seems not to be any large concentration of men who'll spot wage discrepancies and do the necessary to make things right.

Why, just today, the editor of the NYT got the shove, at least in part because she started demanding answers about why she was being stiffed on pay *compared with the worst editor the NYT had ever had*.

Men are terrified of other men. And until the lot of you grow some balls, it's going to be very difficult for women, and furthermore you'll find it more comfortable to blame us for shouting about problems that you wish very deeply people would just *shut up* about, so that you didn't have to do anything about them, including recognize them, yourself.


But anti feminists and rape-apologies aren't all men.


Fouled out for ground-shifting.



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15 May 2014, 10:00 pm

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i think this thread should be renamed:

[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:







if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao: Id say more along the lines of how to frustrate Starvingartist thread.


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16 May 2014, 2:52 am

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Fouled out for ground-shifting.


I am not understanding this expression.

and oh I meant not all anti feminist/rape appolgists are men, as I have illustrated in my massive post.



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16 May 2014, 5:01 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
i think this thread should be renamed:

[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:







if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao: Id say more along the lines of how to frustrate Starvingartist thread.


You are watching too much nasty porn.



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16 May 2014, 7:12 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
i think this thread should be renamed:
[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:
if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao:

Oh wow, the hypothetical workplace sexual harassment has metastasized into actual sexual harassment in the thread...way to find that line and take a step over.



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16 May 2014, 7:32 am

I voted yes BTW, pointing this out just to make sure my earlier bad humour wasn't mistaken for some kind of barely concealed misogyny.

Not that I would likely marry any woman (marriage is increasingly just a prerequisite for divorce) but I wouldn't be put off trying to get into someone's knickers by political beliefs unless they were rooted in hatred and prejudice, or some kind of completely backward thinking. Backward thinkers have tried to hijack many 'movements', regardless of whether their main proponents have tits.

I'll end with a funny*.

Q: What's the one thing that's worse than a male chauvinist pig?







A: A woman that won't do as she's told. Ba dum-tis.

*IMO. I understand the implications of laughing at one's own jokes, especially ones so poorly timed. 8O :oops: 8)


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16 May 2014, 8:41 am

Aristophanes wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
i think this thread should be renamed:
[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:
if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao:

Oh wow, the hypothetical workplace sexual harassment has metastasized into actual sexual harassment in the thread...way to find that line and take a step over.

That's a good illustration of how that happens.



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16 May 2014, 9:31 am

cannotthinkoff wrote:
Aristophanes wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
i think this thread should be renamed:
[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:
if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao:

Oh wow, the hypothetical workplace sexual harassment has metastasized into actual sexual harassment in the thread...way to find that line and take a step over.

That's a good illustration of how that happens.


Well, there is the old metaphor of putting one's foot in one's mouth. Actually, she had written a paragraph with a stated subject, then wrote to another subject with no indication she had changed subjects. After that, she complained that I was negligent in my answer because I didn't realize the had changed subjects. And, finally, she complained that I put words in her mouth, because I read what she wrote and took it at face value. So, when I read "Better words than something else!", I thought it was in reference to her putting her foot in her mouth.



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16 May 2014, 10:11 am

Aristophanes wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
starvingartist wrote:
i think this thread should be renamed:
[Males only please] Would you like to take turns putting words in starvingartist's mouth? :lol:
if i made my living as a freudian analyst, i could retire on that sh**. :wink:
Better words than something else! :lmao:

Oh wow, the hypothetical workplace sexual harassment has metastasized into actual sexual harassment in the thread...way to find that line and take a step over.


I think anime porn had messed up his brain.



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16 May 2014, 10:15 am

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I voted yes BTW, pointing this out just to make sure my earlier bad humour wasn't mistaken for some kind of barely concealed misogyny.

Not that I would likely marry any woman (marriage is increasingly just a prerequisite for divorce) but I wouldn't be put off trying to get into someone's knickers by political beliefs unless they were rooted in hatred and prejudice, or some kind of completely backward thinking. Backward thinkers have tried to hijack many 'movements', regardless of whether their main proponents have tits.

I'll end with a funny*.

Q: What's the one thing that's worse than a male chauvinist pig?







A: A woman that won't do as she's told. Ba dum-tis.

*IMO. I understand the implications of laughing at one's own jokes, especially ones so poorly timed. 8O :oops: 8)


Such lame jokes would surely guarantee you a divorce :lol:.



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16 May 2014, 10:27 am

For those who can't see the results, we've held at 44 votes for some time, which isn't bad.

Yes 56% [ 25 ]
No 43% [ 19 ]
Total Votes : 44

We have one self-admitted impostor who voted "Yes", but the effect is negligible. And, if we get no more votes, I think that's okay. The proportion has constantly stayed in the neighborhood of 60% yes and 40% no. But, there seems to be a lot of disagreement as to what the term "feminist" really represents.



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16 May 2014, 10:41 am

It's also likely to some extent that the men who voted "No" really have a wrong image of feminism. I can't really blame them, to be honest.


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16 May 2014, 11:44 am

While people are busy voting, can we continue the thread in the spirit of poking fun at the opposite sex?

The ladies can take part too, it'll be fun. Starvingartist has been dying to tear someone a new one.

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16 May 2014, 1:19 pm

SoftwareEngineer wrote:
For those who can't see the results, we've held at 44 votes for some time, which isn't bad.

Yes 56% [ 25 ]
No 43% [ 19 ]
Total Votes : 44

We have one self-admitted impostor who voted "Yes", but the effect is negligible. And, if we get no more votes, I think that's okay. The proportion has constantly stayed in the neighborhood of 60% yes and 40% no. But, there seems to be a lot of disagreement as to what the term "feminist" really represents.


have you noticed that's not really the case among the people here who have identified themselves as feminists, but almost entirely from the people who identify as anti-feminist/anti-radical feminist? i think that is significant. those who are calling themselves feminists here seem to present a pretty clear definition of what it means to them--and that clear definition doesn't match any of the "man-hating" tropes that the anti-fems have thrown out in this thread. i wonder why that is........



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16 May 2014, 1:21 pm

In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just, um, get along?"
Seriously, all I've gotten out of this thread so far is that StarvingArtist hates male chauvinists and male chauvinists hate StarvingArtist....and no one has made me a sandwich yet, male or female.