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31 May 2014, 8:55 pm

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I guess all this madness started shortly after Elliot Rodger earned his fifteen minutes of infamy. The guy was a psychopathic dirtbag, but his motivation (his virginity and lack of a girlfriend) was the emotional equivalent of a steel-toed kick in the balls. I've had a string of failed relationships or "might-have-beens", as I call them. They were all girls that had baggage, attitude problems, and so on. One member here insinuated that I deserved those kind of girls because of my outlook.

@TallyMan: I agree.

What 'madness'?

IIRC, starvingartist and a number of other members got understandably fed up with the sexism on this board, which persisted in a way that most any other hateful prejudice simply couldn't - racism, ablism, homophobia. Alex himself had decreed sexists should be left to look like 'fools', where if the speech was over any other group, moderator action would be taken. Some people wanted the 'leave them to look like fools' instruction changed so sexism was treated in line with racism, homophobia, ablism etc. This talk/campaign/action was going on a while before Rodger's killings.

Here as in the larger world, Rodger's actions, as well as the cultures - of varous sizes - his ideas festered in, have brought the very real consquences and concrete meaning of this sort of thinking into focus. Too much of his thinking - I mean, the attitude to women - bore an uncanny resemblance to the way some people talk on here. I think this is an issue that needs addressing, and WP could become a place where it is addressed.

If Rodger had had a girlfriend, he likely would have killed her. As though he'd have been anything but a nightmare in a relationship.

I wish people would stop saying this. I feel pretty confident in saying NO ONE on here thinks like Rodgers on here. No one has stated the desire to put women in concentration camps, or to torture a sorority full of women.

The dude was a psychopath and people should stop bring him up here as some sort of boogieman.

BTW, what are these "cultures" of various sizes you feminists keep talking about. IIRC, he started a thread on of the most hyper-masculine/testosterone filled site on the web: Bodybuilding.com.

Alot of them are into PUA, and alpha/beta talk. They completely trolled and ridiculed the guy for his thoughts and attitude towards women, race, and relationships in general. I mean they didn't show any mercy, and no one agreed with anything he said.

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01 Jun 2014, 3:24 am

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I've seen a lot of feminists project his views onto other people that are/were in his situation. They're plenty of socially awkward, depressed, lonely, and virgin guys that don't think about slaughtering women en masse. In fact I'm pretty sure 99.99999999999% of them don't think this way. Are we going to start viewing every christian the same as those nutjobs in the Westboro Baptist Church, or every Muslim the same as those in Al-Qaeda?

If they're projecting that kind of stuff onto people that are simply having romantic difficulties, then they're being stupid.

If they're doing such to men that are regularly spouting all kinds of misogynistic BS? Sure, most of them would probably not go as far as a shooting spree, but I'm willing to bet they WOULD be perfectly willing to do lesser (but still terrible) things to women.

The word misogynist even gets thrown around too much. I've seen a lot of guys getting labeled as misogynists for complaining about a group of women he had contacts with, as if he hates all women in general.

Well, what kind of complaining was it? You can complain about a single woman in a totally misogynist way, too, happens all the time.

Sometimes when people are totally deaf to misogyny they'll get angry and start railing about how you can't say anything negative about a woman or you're a misogynist. But that isn't true. If the things you're saying about that woman are vicious and nasty and based on the fact that she's a woman, or treat her as though her only value is as a sexual object, or reveal an expectation that she owes you sexual favors or particular treatment because she's a woman, than yes, that's misogynist. If you're complaining that she robbed someone or flaked at an important event or kicked your little brother or did something that would be bad for any person to do, male or female, then no, that's not misogynist.

Please women generalize about men all the time. "all men are dogs" "there are no good men left" "ugh the men in this city are boring" "nothing but a bunch of losers in this club"

Yet you don't see us getting so outraged about every comment women make like oversensitive p*****s.

Check out this article: http://www.salon.com/2014/05/30/amazon_ ... e_partner/

She essentially blames most of the men (brogrammers?) in Seattle for her dating woes. Can you imagine if such an article was written in reverse. You'd have feminists (among others) claiming that he was an entitled and delusional misogynist that lacks social skills.

If any female members made any such comments on this site they would be help responsible for their misandry and face sanctions in exactly the same way men do for misogyny. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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03 Jun 2014, 8:15 am

TallyMan wrote:

MR20 wrote:

tarantella64 wrote:

Aaendi wrote:

Shau wrote:

MR20 wrote:

If any female members made any such comments on this site they would be help responsible for their misandry and face sanctions in exactly the same way men do for misogyny. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Really? Because it seems like it's virtually impossible to have an honest talk about sexism without someone like MR20 trying to derail the thread with a "what about teh menz?" rant. Seriously. Everytime this discussion is brought up there's always someone who tries to argue that men can be victim's of sexism too (as if anybody was claiming otherwise), therefore sexism is ok.

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03 Jun 2014, 8:43 am

Well "the menz" don't complain about sexism/misandry when members of the opposite sex makes harmless generalizations about us.

We don't play the victim or feign outrage over every harmless comment. I understand extreme comments, but some of the stuff tarantella64 was complaining about was silly.

Seriously I've regulary seen women in groups as friends mock and negatively generalize men, and vice/versa, yet the latter seems to get the most ire.

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03 Jun 2014, 9:09 am

And life's the same for all, is it, MR20, so everyone should just let verbal attacks go.

I mean it's not like women are killed for walking away from men, raped, physically abused, shut out of jobs, treated as though we're some sort of aberration from "normal" people in medical and political affairs, or made to live in fear so that we have to size up even casual interactions with men who look all right in terms of how physically dangerous they might become. We don't go to work and find we have to live with sexual harassment as part of the job. We don't suffer wage discrimination or get pressured to give up work to go do a low-respect job -- raising children -- and then wind up poor because of it. None of that's a daily experience for women, or anything. So we really shouldn't mind it when people go around making ugly generalizations about us and treating us as though we're at fault for their own problems, which extend all the way to not being able to get laid and not looking like a top dog. Nor should we kick when men pretend we're not actually human and instead are unattainable fantasy objects to worship, I mean that never leads to trouble of any sort.

Are we now going to hear about how words don't mean anything and have nothing to do with anything?

I am not saying that sexism of any sort should be let go. If you're bothered by it, and you should be, why don't you do something about it?

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03 Jun 2014, 11:31 am

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Maybe you shouldn't try and speak for all of the men, since we didn't nominate you to do so.

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03 Jun 2014, 12:39 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:

MR20 wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't try and speak for all of the men, since we didn't nominate you to do so.

Speak for yourself, I just nominated him.

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03 Jun 2014, 12:42 pm

MDD123 wrote:

Nights_Like_These wrote:

MR20 wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't try and speak for all of the men, since we didn't nominate you to do so.

Speak for yourself, I just nominated him.

Yes, but ALL men didn't.

edit: and since you're the one nominating him to speak for you, perhaps YOU should take your own advice and speak for yourself.

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03 Jun 2014, 12:58 pm

All the other men just called, they said it was cool

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03 Jun 2014, 1:05 pm

MDD123 wrote:

All the other men just called, they said it was cool

i didn't realise all the sexist dudes were thusly networked. congratulations on organising!

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03 Jun 2014, 1:14 pm

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All the other men just called, they said it was cool

i didn't realise all the sexist dudes were thusly networked. congratulations on organising!

It all happened pretty quick too, it must be a psychic network, like Jojo's or something.

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03 Jun 2014, 1:19 pm

Nights_Like_These wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

MDD123 wrote:

All the other men just called, they said it was cool

i didn't realise all the sexist dudes were thusly networked. congratulations on organising!

It all happened pretty quick too, it must be a psychic network, like Jojo's or something.

It's spelled "psychiatric" get it right.

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03 Jun 2014, 1:31 pm

MDD123 wrote:

Nights_Like_These wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

MDD123 wrote:

All the other men just called, they said it was cool

i didn't realise all the sexist dudes were thusly networked. congratulations on organising!

It all happened pretty quick too, it must be a psychic network, like Jojo's or something.

It's spelled "psychiatric" get it right.

Nope, pretty sure JoJo had a psychic network rather than a psychiatric one, but if you prefer psychiatric, well... I'll leave that up to you. It's your network after all!

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03 Jun 2014, 1:49 pm

MDD123 wrote:

Nights_Like_These wrote:

starvingartist wrote:

MDD123 wrote:

All the other men just called, they said it was cool

i didn't realise all the sexist dudes were thusly networked. congratulations on organising!

It all happened pretty quick too, it must be a psychic network, like Jojo's or something.

It's spelled "psychiatric" get it right.

Could be worse. At least its not "psychotic".

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04 Jun 2014, 8:00 am

Nights_Like_These wrote:

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Maybe you shouldn't try and speak for all of the men, since we didn't nominate you to do so.

Men not complaining about the generalizations and sexism (on either side) is a huge part of the problem.

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04 Jun 2014, 9:43 am

Geekonychus wrote:

Nights_Like_These wrote:

MR20 wrote:

Maybe you shouldn't try and speak for all of the men, since we didn't nominate you to do so.

Men not complaining about the generalizations and sexism (on either side) is a huge part of the problem.

Some do their share of complaining. I think we're outnumbered though.

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