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02 Aug 2015, 2:30 pm

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Then in other words men have no value and are totally useless?

No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

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02 Aug 2015, 2:42 pm

Hmm, I think i'll comment on the subject rather than the direction this thread appears to have gone. In a nutshell, not very much. All embryos are female until a specific hormonal change initiates the change to male. Parthenogenesis has been demonstrated time and time again in numerous species. Even those species who normally use sexual reproduction have demonstrated this ability when no male members were available and a hormonal change was initiated by the lack. Nature finds a way :wink:

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02 Aug 2015, 3:02 pm

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No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

The rôles we had in the state of nature may be obsolete in modern society, and I'm glad they are, because it means increased freedom for the individual, but they still condition our impulses and what we like in a romantic or sexual partner.

I wonder how you women see yourselves. If you saw your own charm the same way we do, I guess you'd be more understanding about how we like you so much.

It feels really good when there's some vague danger and a woman more or less instinctively moves closer to you. I'm not sure I'd be much use if a serious attacker popped up, but I like to think that, at least, I wouldn't flee without making sure she flees with me. At any rate, the enemy would find more meat to chew in me than in most women.

Hugging a woman also seems a protective gesture, and, since the emotions it arises are determined by our brains and their evolution, they work even if the woman is actually a well trained fighter and can kick the man's ass. There's something about the dainty shape of a woman's shoulders, arms and back that just screams, "Hug me, hug me, hug meeeee!". Yep, I know it's in my head and the woman almost surely doesn't feel like letting me hug her, but there's probably someone else she likes being hugged by.

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02 Aug 2015, 3:05 pm

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But males do exist for a reason: parthenogenesis cancels the benefits of sexual reproduction, as the offspring are just clones of their mothers, except for mutations. Genes don't get recombined.

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02 Aug 2015, 3:20 pm

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But males do exist for a reason: parthenogenesis cancels the benefits of sexual reproduction, as the offspring are just clones of their mothers, except for mutations. Genes don't get recombined.

True, so it really comes down to the environment the organism is a part of. Stable environments favor parthenogenesis. Sexual reproduction favors chaotic ones in order to produce a gene combination and/or mutation capable of dealing. So the question becomes is our environment today stable? If not, then men definitely have value. What can be seen is the fact that a large number of species do just fine without men.

Lol, love Simpsons :wink:

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02 Aug 2015, 6:44 pm

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I hear you op. Sometimes people make males seem like they are emotionless, but I have met many caring men. If anything, in the past when I was going out with some guy he was a lot more affectionate and filled with emotion than I was. He said I was too distant for him so that was when that all ended.

a lot of women don't' find men who show emotions attractive instead call them weak and lacking confidence.

what did you think of the caring men?

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02 Aug 2015, 6:46 pm

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AspieOtaku wrote:

Then in other words men have no value and are totally useless?

No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

why don't women just date other women then ? o.O I am valueless. its sad to know but maybe now I know my place I can avoid women and make them happy that way?

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02 Aug 2015, 11:22 pm

sly279 wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Then in other words men have no value and are totally useless?

No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

why don't women just date other women then ? o.O I am valueless. its sad to know but maybe now I know my place I can avoid women and make them happy that way?

I don't know how you got from what I said to what you said.

Why do you limit your sense of value to traditional male stereotypes?

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03 Aug 2015, 12:04 am

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sly279 wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Then in other words men have no value and are totally useless?

No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

why don't women just date other women then ? o.O I am valueless. its sad to know but maybe now I know my place I can avoid women and make them happy that way?

I don't know how you got from what I said to what you said.

Why do you limit your sense of value to traditional male stereotypes?

Do we men have a reason to exist? It seems to me that we are only sperm doners and hold no other purpose but being a living piece of meat to be cast aside! Do we not have emotions thoughts and feelings? Are we not human beings? Do we not do good things to benefit women?

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03 Aug 2015, 12:18 am

androbot01 wrote:

sly279 wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Then in other words men have no value and are totally useless?

No. In other words, men have the same value as any person. People offer varying things and they are not determined by gender.

why don't women just date other women then ? o.O I am valueless. its sad to know but maybe now I know my place I can avoid women and make them happy that way?

I don't know how you got from what I said to what you said.

Why do you limit your sense of value to traditional male stereotypes?

just asking a question.

because I want to date women. women hold on to traditional male stereotypes. and yes some men do to. but more women then men hold on to them. took this long to get women equality I imagine it will take as long if not to get total human equality and to rid yourself of the system that was in place along with women inequality. as of right now many want to hold on to that half of the system but get rid of the half that said they weren't equal.

our men to avoid 75% or more of the female population?

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03 Aug 2015, 5:37 am

I should just kill myself already because I hate being male so much

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03 Aug 2015, 7:35 am

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Do we men have a reason to exist? It seems to me that we are only sperm doners

Yeah, this one time that girl I was dating asked me what I wanted to name our children. It was like she thought I was just a sperm donor. I felt so objectified.

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03 Aug 2015, 9:56 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Do we men have a reason to exist? It seems to me that we are only sperm doners

Yeah, this one time that girl I was dating asked me what I wanted to name our children. It was like she thought I was just a sperm donor. I felt so objectified.

What?! That was a good and honest question and you're twisting it. It meant she thinks you're a person she would like to have kids with. What the hell is wrong with that?

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03 Aug 2015, 10:05 am

nurseangela wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Do we men have a reason to exist? It seems to me that we are only sperm doners

Yeah, this one time that girl I was dating asked me what I wanted to name our children. It was like she thought I was just a sperm donor. I felt so objectified.

What?! That was a good and honest question and you're twisting it. It meant she thinks you're a person she would like to have kids with. What the hell is wrong with that?

I thought same thing but assumed it was just me. Talking about children's names is a way to determine compatibility. For example, I like Sinead, you like Shoshanna. It's a game girls play.

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03 Aug 2015, 10:12 am

nurseangela wrote:

RetroGamer87 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Do we men have a reason to exist? It seems to me that we are only sperm doners

Yeah, this one time that girl I was dating asked me what I wanted to name our children. It was like she thought I was just a sperm donor. I felt so objectified.

What?! That was a good and honest question and you're twisting it. It meant she thinks you're a person she would like to have kids with. What the hell is wrong with that?

What the hell is wrong with that? I don't really like kids or responsibility that much and the thought of fatherhood is scary to me.

Also we'd only known eachother for about three weeks at the time. Doesn't that sound too soon?

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03 Aug 2015, 10:13 am

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Talking about children's names is a way to determine compatibility. For example, I like Sinead, you like Shoshanna. It's a game girls play.

They do? You mean I have to choose the right answer?

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