Why is it girls have an easier time getting dates than guys?

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13 Nov 2015, 10:07 pm

So: why are you letting Katy the Troll get the best of you? You know she's a troll. You know her intentions aren't good.

I don't know, Sly. You seem to be talking to people now. People aren't telling you not to contact them. If they are, then they're a little crazy.

I know you think "I say the same thing all the time."

But what am I supposed to do? Tell you that I believe all those dating statistics, and that you have to rely on them to determine YOUR dating success?



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13 Nov 2015, 10:41 pm

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Dude, if someone hasn't legitimately asked a single person out in 6+ months, they certainly shouldn't be complaining. How could anyone *not* agree with that statement?


Because the whole thing is a prejudgment based on no facts about men on here made by a troll who hates and attacks aspie men and has been banned and made so many new accounts.

People can complain anyways it's their right isn't this s support site. People complain about a lot of things they don't try to fix.

She knows nothing about my situation and I'm tired of people making assumptions and attacking me :( she as a woman who's had tons of sex and tons of bfs knows nothing of what it's like to be a aspie guy who's rejected thousands of times all his life never having a gf, never being held or touched, never being loved. She has no right to say we have no legitimacy to feel how we do or complain. I don't care that her ex was a as*hole aspie that doesn't give her the right to attack all other aspie men, ironic that she tells us to not pejudge all women based off the many many women who are that way but she prejudged all aspie men based off the one bad apple she knew.


So I actually had no idea who she was. You say she is a troll and maybe that's true but the one statement she made that I agreed with is the one portion of her post that I quoted.

In terms of getting rejected 1000s of times: I have been rejected 10s of thousands of times so I totally am coming from a place of legitimacy in this discussion. And at one point in my life, I did have the mentality that you currently have.

However, I have grown quite a bit and now am now the complete opposite of the person I used to be. So I am definitely speaking from a place of authenticity when I tell you, I've been there, I've felt the same way, but I've changed my mentality and you need to change yours for things to improve. And things have certainly improved for me, beyond my wildest dreams in this area.


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13 Nov 2015, 11:06 pm

I guess my question for the OP is, "Which girls and which guys?" There are plenty of women who don't get dates. There are plenty of guys who get asked out by women. I think the reality is that some people, regardless of sex, have an easier time dating than other people.



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13 Nov 2015, 11:13 pm

You got lucky and became more successful

I work a sh***y min wage job and get ssi. Not exactly what most women even those in the same situation find attractive as women here and elsewhere have pointed out over and over. But know what this shifty job is my better ,mint that sad I guess. I looked for work for 2 years and this is the only thing I could get and boy am I lucky to even got this. I also have 23-24k debt that I'm surnot girls will find dump able if one ever gets past the fact I make min wage part time and that's all I'll ever make.

Few years ago I'd been happy with this but all the superficially of women has just depressed me and ruined anything good that happens to me as it's never enough for them. I'm that guy who would be happy never leaving his home town,nev r having expensive cars or big house. I'm content with living a low lifestyle. I just need s shelter, girlfriend/wife, food and somethings to enjoy life(which I already have). Why is it that's not good enough for women

No they want a confident guy, a ambitious guy who continues to climb the cooperation ladder and earn more money,who takes them on vacations to Europe, Asia or Hawaii(my idea vacation is to my uncles beach house,my a week camping in the woods) my idea of fun is playing video games, snuggling up to some tv, shooting some targets on a sunny day or just a relaxing walk around the neighborhood.

I think I'd be much happier if I was not interested in relations with other humans. But I'm a social aspie :( which means I have to be considered good enough by these people. I use to be happier. I miss high school which says a lot as I was bullied physical and emotionally back then.

Were you rejected for not being good match or were you constantly told your not s real man or your not good enough. I'm the latter. I mean hey I don't find you attractive or we don't have enough in common find I get that. But you don't make enough or have a nice car or own your own place and telling me I'm worthless that really gets to it then imagine women who are your friends tell you the same thing then when you go to work you hear the women there say the same thing,women on Fb say it too. So basically just about every woman you meet is telling you your not w real man and your worthless.

Try to keep happy with all that for years and years. Then if a girl does come along you don't understand why they talking to you. I don't understand it makes no sense so what's her real motive what does she have to gain.

Only a few and all of them married so out of bounds women have ever said nice things about me. Why is it all the nice non superficial women are almost always married and there's s bunch of superficial single women, perhaps they never will find s real man as they've creat d an impossible goal.

As for me i dont know anymore I use to think all one needed was common interests and love. I thought I'd be a good bf the married women said I would too. I was romantic, silly, playful, loyal, I remember special dates(anniversaries birthdays etc) I put others before myself , I'm kind and caring, I don't hurt others, I cook, I sext pretty good I guess. I'm more interested in pleasing her sexually then myself. Really rhe only stuff I lack is the high income,car and own house.



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14 Nov 2015, 12:13 am

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^^ yes on the negative attitudes. And the "waaaah, it's unfair girls won't date me but I haven't actually asked anybody out in the last 6+ months". If you're not asking, you're not rejected.... you never even bothered to try



That's partly true, but what you are forgetting, is that many guys have actually tried to ask girls out before, and were rejected. After you get rejected so many times, this can cause anger, frustration, and damage self-confidence (which is an undesirable trait to women). Also, it is still common for men to do the initiating, so many women (not all) don't even have to try as hard, as they just sit back, and let the guys come to them.



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14 Nov 2015, 2:08 am

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But no one starts out negative. Women rejecting us causes the negative not the other way around. It's like she thinks women were all over use but we just went negative, couldn't possible be that years and years and hundreds and thousands of rejections and emotional hurt caused the negatively to slowly grow and slowly kill our confidence and happiness nope.


Hey I'm female and I relate to that. I'm scared by how bitter I am becoming. This isn't who I used to be. I don't want to be this person, but I just don't even expect anyone to like me anymore. The last 20 guys didn't want me, why would this one??

Please try and ignore Katy. She only does it to get a response. Just don't engage her in conversation.

We like you here. Don't let one crazy person ruin that.



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14 Nov 2015, 4:41 am

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Not all disabilities are created equal!

Or are equally accepted by society.

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Social ineptitude unfortunately repulses most NT women. And furthermore, there really is no magic chemical elixir that can effectively treat social clumsiness. Some psychiatric disorders are the fault of the wiring of the brain rather than the chemistry of brain. Autism itself often does not respond to medication and particularly in adulthood once the brain has developed completely. There are other conditions like Borderline and PTSD which are also neurological and meds really don't actually help.

The other issue here is that most of the focus with autism is on children. Thus issues which affect autistic adults tend to be entirely ignored and dismissed.



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14 Nov 2015, 5:03 am

sly279 wrote:
But no one starts out negative. Women rejecting us causes the negative not the other way around. It's like she thinks women were all over use but we just went negative, couldn't possible be that years and years and hundreds and thousands of rejections and emotional hurt caused the negatively to slowly grow and slowly kill our confidence and happiness nope.

It could be the case that positive feedback is involved here.
However it does appear to be a fairly common story of trying and failing. Probably because the whole 'dating game' is very ill suited to autistic people. (Especially for men, due to gender roles.)
Dealing with non-verbal, 'hints' and ambiguities is something many of us find hard, but often there is no obvious viable alternative.
Approaching people is difficult for the socially anxious.



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14 Nov 2015, 5:19 am

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She knows nothing about my situation and I'm tired of people making assumptions and attacking me :( she as a woman who's had tons of sex and tons of bfs knows nothing of what it's like to be a aspie guy who's rejected thousands of times all his life never having a gf, never being held or touched, never being loved. She has no right to say we have no legitimacy to feel how we do or complain.


The situation you describe appears to happen far more often to men than women.
Due to society's strict gender roles men and women tend to have very different experiences of dating.
These roles and expectations tend to work poorly for autistic people, in general, and especially poorly for autistic men.

Interestingly enough the rare cases of women who do not get asked out and find themselves turned down when they do ask describe feeling very much like you do.



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14 Nov 2015, 5:40 am

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^^ yes on the negative attitudes. And the "waaaah, it's unfair girls won't date me but I haven't actually asked anybody out in the last 6+ months". If you're not asking, you're not rejected.... you never even bothered to try



That's partly true, but what you are forgetting, is that many guys have actually tried to ask girls out before, and were rejected. After you get rejected so many times, this can cause anger, frustration, and damage self-confidence (which is an undesirable trait to women). Also, it is still common for men to do the initiating, so many women (not all) don't even have to try as hard, as they just sit back, and let the guys come to them.

Rather than 'sitting back...' it seems more to be a case of trying to communicate their interest/disinterest through non-verbal and/or hints. Which is something autistic men are likely to be oblivious to. If he makes the mistake of asking a woman who's already 'told' him she's uninterested he risks an angry rejection, even being assaulted by her.
Also doing the 'initiating' is likely to be especially hard for anyone with social anxieties in the first place.



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14 Nov 2015, 7:34 am

This video right here says it all:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91SlnIVDFso



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14 Nov 2015, 7:53 am

mpe wrote:
SilverStar wrote:
MissKlemi wrote:

^^ yes on the negative attitudes. And the "waaaah, it's unfair girls won't date me but I haven't actually asked anybody out in the last 6+ months". If you're not asking, you're not rejected.... you never even bothered to try



That's partly true, but what you are forgetting, is that many guys have actually tried to ask girls out before, and were rejected. After you get rejected so many times, this can cause anger, frustration, and damage self-confidence (which is an undesirable trait to women). Also, it is still common for men to do the initiating, so many women (not all) don't even have to try as hard, as they just sit back, and let the guys come to them.


Fine, a guy was rejected at some point and felt terribly rejected. If he hasn't asked out anyone in years because he fears rejection, despite having not actually been rejected in years... the issue is anxiety and fear of rejection, not actual rejection.

Also, the girl who sits at home and waits for the phone to ring will likely be waiting indefinitely. A girl who gets asked out is usually a girl who is at least somewhat social, speaks to guys when she's out and has provided her contact info or agreed to let a friend set her up or taken up online dating. I agree it's harder for a guy to get up the nerve to call a girl... but getting asked out as a girl isn't exactly a no-effort endeavor.



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14 Nov 2015, 7:57 am

mpe wrote:
SilverStar wrote:
MissKlemi wrote:

^^ yes on the negative attitudes. And the "waaaah, it's unfair girls won't date me but I haven't actually asked anybody out in the last 6+ months". If you're not asking, you're not rejected.... you never even bothered to try



That's partly true, but what you are forgetting, is that many guys have actually tried to ask girls out before, and were rejected. After you get rejected so many times, this can cause anger, frustration, and damage self-confidence (which is an undesirable trait to women). Also, it is still common for men to do the initiating, so many women (not all) don't even have to try as hard, as they just sit back, and let the guys come to them.

Rather than 'sitting back...' it seems more to be a case of trying to communicate their interest/disinterest through non-verbal and/or hints. Which is something autistic men are likely to be oblivious to. If he makes the mistake of asking a woman who's already 'told' him she's uninterested he risks an angry rejection, even being assaulted by her.
Also doing the 'initiating' is likely to be especially hard for anyone with social anxieties in the first place.


I find it hard to imagine a man would be physically assaulted for asking a woman out once, even if the woman declined the invitation.



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14 Nov 2015, 8:34 am

I think "signals" are a myth for the most part. I'm a decent looking non-aspy, and I've never received any. All the non-hookers I banged gave me lukewarm reactions at best on our dates.

Basically girls can take or leave sex. So, as a guy, if you don't take action (i.e. have great logistics, talk to a ton of girls, isolate them by suggestion drinks or a movie, make moves once behind closed doors,etc.) nothing happens.



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14 Nov 2015, 8:39 am

Outgoing girls/women or those that fit society's standards of beauty have an easy time. For the rest of us, not so much.
I'm considered "unattractive" in this society. I found my husband online. He's the first and only man I've ever been with. We have similarities. He doesn't fit society's standards of beauty either.

I never managed to meet guys in real life. Society dictates that guys do the approaching and this isn't good for "unattractive" autistic women like myself. I was constantly overlooked despite trying to give "signals" that I was available.

Also, to the guys that are having trouble getting a date: what type of women are you aiming for? Are you trying to get the "hot", "pretty" girls? Competition is high for these girls/women. Confident, neurotypical men will generally have a much easier time getting the "hot" girls. Also, "hot", "pretty" women tend to have lots of options. Social incompetence is a major turnoff for neurotypicals. Why not aim for a socially awkward plain girl similar to yourselves? I think a lot of you are aiming out of your league. Find someone similar to yourself.



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14 Nov 2015, 8:50 am

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I think "signals" are a myth for the most part. I'm a decent looking non-aspy, and I've never received any. All the non-hookers I banged gave me lukewarm reactions at best on our dates.

Basically girls can take or leave sex. So, as a guy, if you don't take action (i.e. have great logistics, talk to a ton of girls, isolate them by suggestion drinks or a movie, make moves once behind closed doors,etc.) nothing happens.


Girls ask guys out. Just because it's not so frequent doesn't mean it doesn't happen. While I'm way too old for hookup apps, there's a whole Tinder thing doing on, in which the New York Times says young women are active participants in (and they employ fact-checkers).