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30 Jun 2016, 12:36 pm

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Men disadvantaged in some way tend to try and over-compensate for it.

Short men are sometimes over-aggressive.

Insecure skinny men who feel un-masculine bulk up and become ripped either through hard work or just steroids, and become the insecure, boastful, big-shot gymgoers we all know and love (to hate).

Men with big guns or big cars or other big things? Overcompensating for something little.

Case in point: Aziz Shaversian


You seem to make quite a lot of condescending generalizations.



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30 Jun 2016, 12:46 pm

Aggressive tall man is simply called aggressive tall man.
While aggressive short man is called over-aggressive man with some complex.

Because you know... perspective.



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30 Jun 2016, 1:26 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Angressive tall man is simply called angressive tall man.
While angreessive short man is called over-aggressive man with some complex.

Because you know... perspective.


That's definitely not what I meant - sometimes people who get a lot of crap from others (particularly for reasons outside their control), employ "pre-emptive aggression" - I surely don't blame them and it can be pretty effective too (particularly amongst males, sending a clear message of "don't even think about messing with me" can work quite well).


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30 Jun 2016, 2:07 pm

Not really, they usually develop a thicker skin.



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30 Jun 2016, 2:19 pm

I've definitely met people who use the "don't even think about it" strategy pre-emptively and successfully, a few women too and even myself when I was young and living in a very rough environment. Works well when you deal with rough, instinct-driven individuals or when you work in highly competitive jobs.


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30 Jun 2016, 2:38 pm

Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, look at the NBA players....those men are tall yet many of them are typically-masculine aggressive to boot, short tempered too and have the 'don't mess with me attitude'.

But people don't accuse them of anything, they don't associate their over-aggressiveness with anything - they don't even notice it.



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30 Jun 2016, 2:42 pm

Sure, plenty of tall men are violent, aggressive, bullies or as*holes, I don't know about "people", but I would accuse them of being just that.


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30 Jun 2016, 3:03 pm

but that's exactly my point, you, like many other tall people, is calling tall aggressive men as aggressive, while you are psychoanalyzing why short aggressive men are aggressive.

It didn't occur to you that an aggressive short man might simply be an aggressive man.



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30 Jun 2016, 3:48 pm

I think you're reading too much into what I'm actually saying - I am often interested in why people are aggressive or as*holes etc regardless of height. When I talked about pre-emptive strategies I didn't claim all short men use them (or are aggressive), I didn't say anything about "compensating" - Outrider did -, and short men are not the only ones who would use this tactic, but generally people who feel vulnerable or have been targeted. As I mentioned, I've used it myself.

And sure, some short people are aggressive because it's in their nature, just like some tall guys have an arrogant and superior attitude because they're tall *shrug*

In the context of this thread, it pisses me off to see people forced to resort to dangerous surgery (I wasn't aware how common this is before you posted that link) or having to significantly modify their behaviour just because the world is full of human refuse that target and harass others over things they can't control, and this is not just about height.

Harassment laws are very inefficient, maybe a steep fee on such comments would work better :twisted:


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30 Jun 2016, 4:13 pm

BenderRodriguez wrote:
I think you're reading too much into what I'm actually saying...


It was a micro-aggression...

(just to piss EVERYONE off, :D )



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30 Jun 2016, 6:56 pm

Short, aggressive people are supposed to have a Napoleon Complex (even though Napoleon was about average height for the early 19th century: 5 foot 7).



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30 Jun 2016, 7:24 pm

Sabreclaw wrote:
Outrider wrote:
Men disadvantaged in some way tend to try and over-compensate for it.

Short men are sometimes over-aggressive.

Insecure skinny men who feel un-masculine bulk up and become ripped either through hard work or just steroids, and become the insecure, boastful, big-shot gymgoers we all know and love (to hate).

Men with big guns or big cars or other big things? Overcompensating for something little.

Case in point: Aziz Shaversian


You seem to make quite a lot of condescending generalizations.


Nah, I over-compensate in my own ways as well. In my case, physical appearance and extremely fashionable style of dress to compensate for less than average social skills. Doesn't make me any better than them.

Just an observation.

I don't think all men who lift weights to become strong are arrogant people, but there are some. Just as there are some men with big things over-compensating for something small. Just as there are some of everything for any reason. Some men aren't overcompensating for something small. Some short men aren't trying to act tough because of their lack of height, they're just acting tough coincidentally. Whatever.

You want condescending? Scour the Miscellanous section of the 'Bodybuilding.com' forums and you'd be able to see that. These type of threads, called 'ripped facebook kid' threads, steal photos of shirtless young boys and men on the internet without their permission and insult and belittle the person's physique because it doesn't fit to their (unrealistic) standards.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthrea ... =122525771

"What's wrong with wanting to be strong? I've talked to guys who use steroids and they're more knowledgeable about it than doctors are and most "specialists". Doctors don't know a damn thing about male hormones, unless you goto a doctor that runs a private practice."

Aziz ('Zyzz') died at age 24 due to heart complications, a health issue known to be caused by anabolic steroid use.

These are his progress pictures from age 18 to age 24:

http://doctorshealthsupply.com/wp-conte ... ogress.jpg

It doesn't look like he used low-dosages.

When it comes to his personality, it's well known he was something of a slightly nerdy WOW kid. Once he became strong, he developed a very arrogant and cocky personality.

I'm not just saying that to put him down.

He was the guy who started the whole "YOU MAD BRO?" "YOU MIRIN?" "COME AT ME BRO!" and such.

News report on his death with some showboating clips: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FWO5OVEud8

"I didn't say anything about "compensating" - Outrider did -, and short men are not the only ones who would use this tactic, but generally people who feel vulnerable or have been targeted. As I mentioned, I've used it myself."

Yeah, I mentioned the compensating.

Honestly, tall men can be aggressive as well, to compensate - maybe they're tall but very skinny.

I can over-compensate with some aggression/tough guy act because I've heard some people with Asperger's can be more sensitive than the average person and this is true for me.

I've got to show a fearless demeanor in the face of the way other males can be sometimes. The 'don't give me sh*t' face and attitude when other males are trying to agitate you and start something on purpose.



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30 Jun 2016, 10:43 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, look at the NBA players....those men are tall yet many of them are typically-masculine aggressive to boot, short tempered too and have the 'don't mess with me attitude'.

But people don't accuse them of anything, they don't associate their over-aggressiveness with anything - they don't even notice it.

Yeah, I'm with Boo on this one, visual stereotyping comes into play. As for the NBA, Lebron James is a "competitor", Allen Iverson had a "Napoleon complex." Same attitude, different body size.



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01 Jul 2016, 9:47 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
but that's exactly my point, you, like many other tall people, is calling tall aggressive men as aggressive, while you are psychoanalyzing why short aggressive men are aggressive.

It didn't occur to you that an aggressive short man might simply be an aggressive man.

If a woman dumps a tall man who's too aggressive, then she's dumping him because he's aggressive. If she dumps a short man who's too aggressive, then she's biased against short men. :?



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01 Jul 2016, 10:13 pm

Aristophanes wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Look at Cristiano Ronaldo, look at the NBA players....those men are tall yet many of them are typically-masculine aggressive to boot, short tempered too and have the 'don't mess with me attitude'.

But people don't accuse them of anything, they don't associate their over-aggressiveness with anything - they don't even notice it.

Yeah, I'm with Boo on this one, visual stereotyping comes into play. As for the NBA, Lebron James is a "competitor", Allen Iverson had a "Napoleon complex." Same attitude, different body size.


Too be fair, you can't compare AI to Lebron. Lebron is kind of a prima donna on the court but a boyscout off of it, AI was a warrior on the court and helped integrate hip-hop culture into the NBA after MJ retired. AI sort of projected the image of a thug even tho he wasn't, that was late 90s/early 2000s basketball. I miss my boy Sprewell! Lebron is about as far as you can possibly get from that, he's more of a Magic Johnson everybody loves him type. The NBA just isn't competitive like it use to be, these guys all want to buddy up together on the same teams instead of compete against each other. They should bring back handchecking and be more tolerant of physical and emotional play, just stop the brawls from spilling into the crowd or too many people involved. I hate how soft players are these days, I actually HATED AI as a player since I thought he was selfish but dude was one of the toughest players to ever play the game. It's kind of funny we're talking about him as a little guy but AI was still 6' despite the slight frame.



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