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30 May 2007, 6:02 pm

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Evolution, anyone?


It sucks, according to greenblue -- we all turned out crappy.


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30 May 2007, 6:04 pm

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Evolution, anyone?

God guided the process of evolution to create all of his creatures

So where did this Adam and Eve thing come from then? lol


I've already answered that, so now it's gb's turn to explain.


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30 May 2007, 6:04 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Kilroy wrote:
many aspies (I think) blame God for making us like this
I do
and have a sort of a love hate thing with my faith

I blame God for creating humans
that's the biggest mistake he ever made


He agreed. That's why He created the flood.

But he didn't really did a good job,
8 people survived? what was he thinking?
and how they repopulate the earth, anyway?
Incest?



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30 May 2007, 6:14 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sopho wrote:
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Sopho wrote:
Evolution, anyone?

God guided the process of evolution to create all of his creatures

So where did this Adam and Eve thing come from then? lol


I've already answered that, so now it's gb's turn to explain.

Adam was a superhuman who helped God with the animals, and he was recompensed with a beautiful naked female human.
and he was 8O "WOW What a flesh!! I mean, you are flesh of my flesh and bones of my... whatever. Just come here little momma!" 8)



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30 May 2007, 6:21 pm

greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
many aspies (I think) blame God for making us like this
I do
and have a sort of a love hate thing with my faith

I blame God for creating humans
that's the biggest mistake he ever made


He agreed. That's why He created the flood.


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But he didn't really did a good job,
8 people survived? what was he thinking?


Sorry... How's that His fault? (It's interesting, watching finite minds angrily try to reason out an infinite God. While never understanding the inherent futility. Just accept that He exists, or decide He doesn't -- this blaming God thing doesn't fit in either logical catagory. It's utterly irrational.)

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and how they repopulate the earth, anyway?
Incest?


Yes. Can't really blame 'em, given the circumstances.


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30 May 2007, 6:28 pm

greenblue wrote:
But he didn't really did a good job,
8 people survived? what was he thinking?
Ragtime wrote:
Sorry... How's that His fault? (It's interesting, watching finite minds angrily try to reason out an infinite God. While never understanding the inherent futility. Just accept that He exists, or decide He doesn't -- this blaming God thing doesn't fit in either logical catagory. It's utterly irrational.)

I was kidding in there, yes, that was God intention to save 8 people from all humanity destruction, because they were the only ones loyal to him, and humanity exist after, its logical, inside the mythology of course.

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and how they repopulate the earth, anyway?
Incest?
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Yes. Can't really blame 'em, given the circumstances.

Talking about my inner fantasies :oops:



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30 May 2007, 8:04 pm

Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
many aspies (I think) blame God for making us like this
I do
and have a sort of a love hate thing with my faith

I blame God for creating humans
that's the biggest mistake he ever made


He agreed. That's why He created the flood.


Pity he didn't learn from his mistake, and showed
'leniency' by allowing more people than had existed
previously to continue suffering since.



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30 May 2007, 8:07 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sorry... How's that His fault? (It's interesting, watching finite minds angrily try to reason out an infinite God. While never understanding the inherent futility. Just accept that He exists, or decide He doesn't -- this blaming God thing doesn't fit in either logical catagory. It's utterly irrational.)


IF God exists, in the manner that Christianity seems
to claim, it is culpable for all error and evil. Even if you
take the dualist standpoint, yet claim that good is ultimately
more powerful (something few Christians do) all blame rests
entirely on it's plate. Any with gripes should stand in line, and
seek to destroy it. Any who are FULLY pleased should support
it.



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30 May 2007, 8:11 pm

calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
many aspies (I think) blame God for making us like this
I do
and have a sort of a love hate thing with my faith

I blame God for creating humans
that's the biggest mistake he ever made


He agreed. That's why He created the flood.


Pity he didn't learn from his mistake, and showed
'leniency' by allowing more people than had existed
previously to continue suffering since.


It's not all suffering. And I've had my share like anyone, believe me. My address isn't Cloud Nine. :lol: It comes down to, do you want to be bitter, or do you want to have hope?



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30 May 2007, 8:34 pm

calandale wrote:
Ragtime wrote:

Sorry... How's that His fault? (It's interesting, watching finite minds angrily try to reason out an infinite God. While never understanding the inherent futility. Just accept that He exists, or decide He doesn't -- this blaming God thing doesn't fit in either logical catagory. It's utterly irrational.)


IF God exists, in the manner that Christianity seems
to claim, it is culpable for all error and evil. Even if you
take the dualist standpoint, yet claim that good is ultimately
more powerful (something few Christians do) all blame rests
entirely on it's plate. Any with gripes should stand in line, and
seek to destroy it. Any who are FULLY pleased should support
it.


Yes, He allowed all suffering and death in history, but logically you're still jumping the gun judging an infinite God who could very well have his infinite, good reasons. Can you see that? You can't get there by emotions. You have to believe there's a whole reality WAAAAAAY beyond you. (That part's just common sense, actually.)



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30 May 2007, 8:51 pm

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I wouldn't put too much into this Sopho. People speak for people. Only God can speak to you about what he actually wants. If you don't believe in that, the bible says that you have the free will not to do so. It's your choice.


Wow. 8O Talk about softpedaling... You kinda stopped short, there -- finish your thought: "It's your choice," aaaand... you really need to think carefully about that choice, because it's really, really important to both your current and eternal health. I'd love to just snap my fingers and change the truth for Sopho, but that doesn't work. Ignoring it doesn't work either.




Goes right back to "Only God can speak to you about what he actually wants." I don't presume to speak for God because that's what is known as an abomination.

To finish my thought, it's a waste of time to worry about what people tell you. If you believe the bible, they are all sinners and no more worthy to tell you about God than you yourself are. I don't invest people with power they don't possess. So, there's my thought and it isn't soft-pedaled at all.


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30 May 2007, 9:12 pm

Ragtime wrote:
It's not all suffering. And I've had my share like anyone, believe me. My address isn't Cloud Nine. :lol: It comes down to, do you want to be bitter, or do you want to have hope?


Hope is the greatest bitterness of all.
It deludes one into thinking that things
will get better. I wish on all that I might
be that I had none.



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30 May 2007, 9:13 pm

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You have to believe there's a whole reality WAAAAAAY beyond you. (That part's just common sense, actually.)


I don't HAVE to believe that there's anything
beyond me. Not so sure about the me part.
Like I said, I'm a bit of a skeptic. Common
sense doesn't apply to a constructionist.



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30 May 2007, 9:15 pm

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Goes right back to "Only God can speak to you about what he actually wants." I don't presume to speak for God because that's what is known as an abomination.

To finish my thought, it's a waste of time to worry about what people tell you. If you believe the bible, they are all sinners and no more worthy to tell you about God than you yourself are. I don't invest people with power they don't possess. So, there's my thought and it isn't soft-pedaled at all.


The problem is, if one has common sense, that's
exactly what the Bible appears to be: men speaking
for God. The gall of anyone to believe their delusions
that much. I hope to reach that point of self deception.



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30 May 2007, 9:34 pm

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Well, one whimsical question I have for you (well, anyone can feel free to answer this), is how many times you've said or thought "as*hole" in referrence to me. :D I imagine it's a whole bunch, but I could be wrong.




Lukewarm, I watch you slakeing your prurient curiosity and pumping Sopho for more and more perversity. (It's not 'perverse' for Sopho, because she does not believe it is.) But, by your own admission and by the book you revere, it is perverse and wretched and you are fascinated by it and stoke your own imagination day after day. What's up with that?
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30 May 2007, 11:43 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Well, one whimsical question I have for you (well, anyone can feel free to answer this), is how many times you've said or thought "as*hole" in referrence to me. :D I imagine it's a whole bunch, but I could be wrong.


Not once. I appreciate your discussion of your faith.
Given that you're thinking this, I wonder if you've
said the same, pertaining to me, for my pestering.
Clearly, I'm not seeking salvation, and usually that's
what those willing to discuss this deeply are trying to
effect.