06 Nov 2018, 4:28 am
magnetowasright wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
magnetowasright wrote:
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?
This is in such poor taste, after Friday's shooting. This thread should be locked out of respect for the women who were murdered by a self-described incel.
This is in such poor taste, after Friday's shooting. This thread should be locked out of respect for the women who were murdered by a self-described incel.
Of course, the shooting is (like all shootings) tragic and inexcusable.
But posts like this are exactly why this thread is relevant. You point to some instances in which individuals who identify as incels carry out horrible acts of violence, and use them as justification to condemn all lonely men. We all readily acknowledge that as bigoted when it is done in regards to any other group.
And Incel is not something I call myself; it's a reality of my existence. I'm getting pretty fed up with having to repeat this.
How many Muslims need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves Muslims?
F***ing SJWs and your bullsh!t double standards!
And by the way, this thread was started on October 27. In case you're bad at math, that was a whole week before Friday. Just an FYI.
I very clearly stated (twice) in my brief comment that I was talking about people who identify as incels, not lonely people (because not all lonely people call themselves incels.)
I realize the thread was started before the shooting, but now that the shooting has happened I think it's disrespectful of the victims to let it continue. I would say the same about a thread defending anti-Semitic rhetoric that was started before the Tree of Life shooting, that after the shooting it should be locked out of respect for the victims of that anti-Semitic murderous attack.
I'm not even going to address the ridiculous "SJW" hyperbole directly because it's not worth my time or energy.
The topic of this thread is not analogous to an anti-Semitic thread because it is not anti-women or any other group. It exists to defend the thousands of non-violent lonely men lime myself who are constantly compared unfairly to the likes of Elliot Rodger.
Every time a shooting like this does occur, thousands of men whose only crime is being socially awkward and lonely (often due to falling on the Autism Spectrum) are treated by everyone around like they're monsters. Which is why this topic is particularly relevant in the wake of Friday's shooting and is in no way disrespectful to the victims.
Following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, a number of politicians and celebrities around the US and world came out to remind everyone that the terrorists do not represent all Muslims and that the majority of Muslims are kind and peaceful people. From your point of view, that was disrespectful to the victims as well. Right?
In fact, the only way anyone can consider it disrespectful is if you think all lonely men are responsible for or endorse such crimes.
Here are your own words: "How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?"
Your own comment reveals that you simply want to use these tragedies as an excuse to rationalize your bigotry. You speak out both sides of your mouth, first proclaiming "all incels", but then trying to backpedal when called out on your bigotry to claim you only meant a specific narrow group of incels. Nice try, but your words are right here for all to see.
This is a false analogy. What would be a better analogy would be to compare lonely men to muslims and men who identify as incel and belong to incel forums as an extremist group like ISIS. When there are terrorist attacks people look at extremist groups like ISIS because the terrorist will claim to be from a group like that or Al Queda or whatever, not just a muslim. As the shooter on Friday identified as an woman-hating extremist incel and not just a lonely man.
Which is exactly the point I've been making all along. But apparently, that's disrespectful to the victims.
And I would add, in this analogy, that people like you are analogous to Fox News and the Right; pointing to the actions of a fringe minority to rationalize their bigoted attitudes towards a whole diverse group of people.
karathraceandherspecialdestiny wrote:
I have no bigotry against lonely men, I only have disdain for men who identify with terrorist incels like Friday's shooter. Please stop putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, it only makes you look like the one with an agenda here and it makes it hard to take your arguments seriously.
And just where exactly did I or anyone else in this thread say we identify with the shooters?
Nobody is putting words in your mouth you didn't say. Here are your words copied and pasted without alteration:
"How many incels need to go on killing sprees before we stop talking about how unfair it is to judge people negatively for calling themselves incels?"
And as Face-of-Boo pointed out, this is nothing new. You are constantly spamming any thread related to the matter of lonely Autistics seeking support with links to misogynist forums in an attempt to conflate us with these types of toxic individuals.
You come in here and accuse us of supporting violence, say we're disrespecting the victims of said violence, make sweeping generalizations comparing us to murders, and demand that we are silenced. And then you get the gall to say I'm putting words in your mouth?!
And by the way, we're still here
The reason I spent some time talking about incels in the I think three threads that have been made about incels since the Toronto van attack is because I live near where that happened and was profoundly impacted by the violence and how it effected the community. I noticed he left that out of his comment about me even though I talked about it in those couple of other threads about incels that I participated in. I've mostly stopped participating in this forum because of guys like him. And I know I'm not the only woman to be chased off in such a manner.
I don't even think I had heard of the term "incel" before the van attack happened. Since then I've done some reading on the topic and explored incel forums because as I said, the violence was brought home to me in a very real and visceral way and I wanted to understand where this hate that killed 10 people and injured more than a dozen others where I live was coming from. That guy (I'm not going to use his name) murdered real people, actual human beings, in my community. So yeah, it's fair to say I have some disdain for guys who identify with that and call themselves the same thing that guy did before he crushed so many women with a van. You know how much blood can come out of a person who's been crushed by a moving vehicle? It's a surprising amount, a shocking amount. And it was all over the sidewalks of Yonge Street in broad daylight. I'll be following his trial very closely when that happens too, because I want to see justice for the people he harmed.
This issue of "incels" and how dangerous their online culture is has been more than just a philosophical argument for some of us. For some of us it's been a brutal reality rather than an intellectual exercise in a discussion online.
I hope that puts things in perspective for you.
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06 Nov 2018, 5:04 am
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
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It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Because the Pope chose that life for himself. How is that even remotely comparable?
06 Nov 2018, 5:35 am
Sabreclaw wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Because the Pope chose that life for himself. How is that even remotely comparable?
Also I do feel sorry for certain members of the clergy. There was a time when it was just expected that the second born son of a Catholic family would become a priest. He didn't want to, it was just the done thing. That's pretty awful. They're probably all old or dead now, but that's a lot of wasted lives.
Probably had a knock on effect towards people that they were supposed to "help". You've been forced into a vocation rather than doing it from the heart. It would be difficult not to be bitter. That's not the kind of spiritual advisor anyone wants.
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06 Nov 2018, 6:07 am
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Out of the hundreds of millions of celibate people in the world, the Pope is about 0.000001% of those people. Not all celibate men are the Pope.
Who is more powerful than the Pope? Presidents, kings, wealthy industrialists, Arab princes, The Queen of England who, like the Pope is also the head of a major church. Unlike the Pope, she's also a head of state. Surprisingly the Pope is not the head of state for the Vatican.
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06 Nov 2018, 6:15 am
hurtloam wrote:
Sabreclaw wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Because the Pope chose that life for himself. How is that even remotely comparable?
Also I do feel sorry for certain members of the clergy. There was a time when it was just expected that the second born son of a Catholic family would become a priest. He didn't want to, it was just the done thing. That's pretty awful. They're probably all old or dead now, but that's a lot of wasted lives.
Probably had a knock on effect towards people that they were supposed to "help". You've been forced into a vocation rather than doing it from the heart. It would be difficult not to be bitter. That's not the kind of spiritual advisor anyone wants.
Not just second sons. It was also expected for boys raised in Catholic orphanages.
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06 Nov 2018, 6:20 am
RetroGamer87 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Out of the hundreds of millions of celibate people in the world, the Pope is about 0.000001% of those people. Not all celibate men are the Pope.
Who is more powerful than the Pope? Presidents, kings, wealthy industrialists, Arab princes, The Queen of England who, like the Pope is also the head of a major church. Unlike the Pope, she's also a head of state. Surprisingly the Pope is not the head of state for the Vatican.
I love it how they always talk about the 1% of male population (presidents, rulers, kings, pops, rich business men, silicon valley founders..etc) when they wanna demonstrate the 'superiority' of the male privilege on earth.
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06 Nov 2018, 6:38 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
RetroGamer87 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
MushroomPrincess wrote:
It's hard to have sympathy for "involuntarily celibate men", considering that voluntarily celibate men (read: clergy) are among the most privileged class on the planet.
This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve ever read on wrong planet.
So clergy aren't the most privileged class on the planet? The Pope doesn't influence the lives of billions of people?
What's "dumb" about what I said? Communicate what you're trying to say.
The Pope is celibate and he's one of the most powerful men on the planet (it should be noted that celibate women don't traditionally wield much institutional power). Doesn't this prove that sex isn't really that big of a deal and that we shouldn't pity the incelibate male as if he's enduring some terrible hardship?
Out of the hundreds of millions of celibate people in the world, the Pope is about 0.000001% of those people. Not all celibate men are the Pope.
Who is more powerful than the Pope? Presidents, kings, wealthy industrialists, Arab princes, The Queen of England who, like the Pope is also the head of a major church. Unlike the Pope, she's also a head of state. Surprisingly the Pope is not the head of state for the Vatican.
I love it how they always talk about the 1% of male population (presidents, rulers, kings, pops, rich business men, silicon valley founders..etc) when they wanna demonstrate the 'superiority' of the male privilege on earth.
True. All US presidents have been men. Not all men have been US presidents. Either they can't see the difference or they're deliberately ignoring it.
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06 Nov 2018, 7:16 am
A note to all incelibate men. Do this.
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07 Nov 2018, 2:35 am
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A note to all incelibate men. Do this.
I much prefer the authenticity of the left-most picture.
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