Why are Aspie Men Bitter Towards Women??

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11 May 2009, 8:39 pm

That's a perceptive assessment of young female behavior, Haliphron.



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11 May 2009, 10:26 pm

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I think it's because girls, most especially around the high school years, can be prone to be verbally abusive to guys they are "freaked out" by. In some schools I went to I was considered a creep, and girls often verbally attacked me unprovoked.

When I remained cool about it and didn't react or seem to care, they started displaying actual interest that went beyond just your traditional cruel teasing. Problem is, I had already seen what was below the surface of them. I had seen they were capable of mistreating someone simply on the grounds that they were socially akward yet well-intentioned... so I rebuffed all of their flirtatious behavior.

I refuse to date someone so easily inclined to cruelty.



Regarding the last sentence, its good to find someone who is NOT insecure nor has issues with men. Those are usually the kind of women who are inclined to be cruel because they are power hungry. Unprovoked verbal attacks are certainly very rude, but keep this in mind: Rudeness is a weak persons way of imitating strength. They were hostile to you because in fact they're very insecure and you made them feel threatened. ITs amazing what the silent treatment does to young, manipulative women. Women in their teens and early 20s often have big egos and crave attention, the one thing that drives them crazy is being ignored.


. . . and those same girls have no idea how strong those words are, they only know the danger they were taught on how a boy can want selfish things and how girls have to protect their 'reputations' and being easily used in a way that does not benefit your future. Insecure is never knowing who is whom or how to tell until too late, its so much simpler to growl and offend than to deal with each worthy boy at each meeting.


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11 May 2009, 10:46 pm

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12 May 2009, 1:14 am

sinsboldly wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
A_Spock_Darkly wrote:
I think it's because girls, most especially around the high school years, can be prone to be verbally abusive to guys they are "freaked out" by. In some schools I went to I was considered a creep, and girls often verbally attacked me unprovoked.

When I remained cool about it and didn't react or seem to care, they started displaying actual interest that went beyond just your traditional cruel teasing. Problem is, I had already seen what was below the surface of them. I had seen they were capable of mistreating someone simply on the grounds that they were socially akward yet well-intentioned... so I rebuffed all of their flirtatious behavior.

I refuse to date someone so easily inclined to cruelty.



Regarding the last sentence, its good to find someone who is NOT insecure nor has issues with men. Those are usually the kind of women who are inclined to be cruel because they are power hungry. Unprovoked verbal attacks are certainly very rude, but keep this in mind: Rudeness is a weak persons way of imitating strength. They were hostile to you because in fact they're very insecure and you made them feel threatened. ITs amazing what the silent treatment does to young, manipulative women. Women in their teens and early 20s often have big egos and crave attention, the one thing that drives them crazy is being ignored.


. . . and those same girls have no idea how strong those words are, they only know the danger they were taught on how a boy can want selfish things and how girls have to protect their 'reputations' and being easily used in a way that does not benefit your future. Insecure is never knowing who is whom or how to tell until too late, its so much simpler to growl and offend than to deal with each worthy boy at each meeting.



Um, I afraid I really dont agree. I dont know where you got the idea that girls dont bully beause they sure as hell Do. Insecurity isnt necessarily about feeling physically threatened, it can be feelings of internal inadequacy and being unsure where you stand in the pecking order. Its called a Zero-sum Game. Thats where you put someone else down to build yourself up. Thats what those girls are doing by using those strong words, trying to make him feel bad so they can feel good. "creep" and "creepy" are girlslang terms for an (actively)unattractive male. Teenage girls will pretend to be scared of someone as a way of mocking him and conveying their revulsion.



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12 May 2009, 4:37 am

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Hal - how in the world do you figure that it is easier for women on the spectrum than men? I see a lot of projection onto the opposite gender, and not a lot of substance.


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Because I see A LOT more posts from women here about current or past relationships and a lot more posts by men complaining about how they cant seem to find a partner.Im not saying that relationships are any easier for women on the spectrum, but I am saying that attracting someone certainly does seem to be easier-especially for those women on the spectrum who happen to be pretty.



I think what you say here might be (generally) true. Aspie men may find it more difficult to meet women because of their lack of social skills, while Aspie women still meet some men because, for the most part, the initiation of social contact is still done by men and (sigh) is often based on appearance. If you are speaking of superficial encounters, then perhaps it is easier for Aspie women than men - I could believe this. But relationships? No. I know from personal experience that although I may meet lots of men because of my appearance, that very few of them want anything more from me than sex because, due to my awkwardness, I'm just not the type of woman they want to be involved with.

I do sympathise with Aspie men's difficulty in talking to and meeting women - women can be rude and judgemental. But so can men! Maybe we Aspie women have it easier meeting men but I don't think it's any easier keeping them around for more than a quick fling. I have my bouts of bitterness over this, I totally admit, but I work hard to remember that everyone is different, and I can't lump a group of people together as bastards simply because of their reproductive organs.



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12 May 2009, 8:28 am

Haliphron wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
A_Spock_Darkly wrote:
I think it's because girls, most especially around the high school years, can be prone to be verbally abusive to guys they are "freaked out" by. In some schools I went to I was considered a creep, and girls often verbally attacked me unprovoked.

When I remained cool about it and didn't react or seem to care, they started displaying actual interest that went beyond just your traditional cruel teasing. Problem is, I had already seen what was below the surface of them. I had seen they were capable of mistreating someone simply on the grounds that they were socially akward yet well-intentioned... so I rebuffed all of their flirtatious behavior.

I refuse to date someone so easily inclined to cruelty.



Regarding the last sentence, its good to find someone who is NOT insecure nor has issues with men. Those are usually the kind of women who are inclined to be cruel because they are power hungry. Unprovoked verbal attacks are certainly very rude, but keep this in mind: Rudeness is a weak persons way of imitating strength. They were hostile to you because in fact they're very insecure and you made them feel threatened. ITs amazing what the silent treatment does to young, manipulative women. Women in their teens and early 20s often have big egos and crave attention, the one thing that drives them crazy is being ignored.


. . . and those same girls have no idea how strong those words are, they only know the danger they were taught on how a boy can want selfish things and how girls have to protect their 'reputations' and being easily used in a way that does not benefit your future. Insecure is never knowing who is whom or how to tell until too late, its so much simpler to growl and offend than to deal with each worthy boy at each meeting.



Um, I afraid I really dont agree. I dont know where you got the idea that girls dont bully beause they sure as hell Do. Insecurity isnt necessarily about feeling physically threatened, it can be feelings of internal inadequacy and being unsure where you stand in the pecking order. Its called a Zero-sum Game. Thats where you put someone else down to build yourself up. Thats what those girls are doing by using those strong words, trying to make him feel bad so they can feel good. "creep" and "creepy" are girlslang terms for an (actively)unattractive male. Teenage girls will pretend to be scared of someone as a way of mocking him and conveying their revulsion.


I don't know where you got the idea that I said women don't bully! I would even venture that women bully far more than men (oh, noes! I can hear them beating on my door to take away my feminist identification card, now!) I was hoping to give a bit of insight as to the scare stories and the fear instilled into girls about boys. How girls display that fear is what you see, how we are programmed to display that is what I was hoping to expose.


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12 May 2009, 10:24 am

Acknowledged. But speaking from experience as well as what girls have told me themselves, women tend to be a lot less confrontational then men. So if a girl is truly scared of/feels threatened by a guy she will usually avoid him and if he's in her environment she will not interact with him at all. Ive noticed that women who are intimidated by me will never say a word to me and avoid even looking at me. So what Im saying is that when girls go out of their way to call a guy a "creep" its passive-aggressive rather than a reaction based on fear.




sinsboldly wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
sinsboldly wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
A_Spock_Darkly wrote:
I think it's because girls, most especially around the high school years, can be prone to be verbally abusive to guys they are "freaked out" by. In some schools I went to I was considered a creep, and girls often verbally attacked me unprovoked.

When I remained cool about it and didn't react or seem to care, they started displaying actual interest that went beyond just your traditional cruel teasing. Problem is, I had already seen what was below the surface of them. I had seen they were capable of mistreating someone simply on the grounds that they were socially akward yet well-intentioned... so I rebuffed all of their flirtatious behavior.

I refuse to date someone so easily inclined to cruelty.



Regarding the last sentence, its good to find someone who is NOT insecure nor has issues with men. Those are usually the kind of women who are inclined to be cruel because they are power hungry. Unprovoked verbal attacks are certainly very rude, but keep this in mind: Rudeness is a weak persons way of imitating strength. They were hostile to you because in fact they're very insecure and you made them feel threatened. ITs amazing what the silent treatment does to young, manipulative women. Women in their teens and early 20s often have big egos and crave attention, the one thing that drives them crazy is being ignored.


. . . and those same girls have no idea how strong those words are, they only know the danger they were taught on how a boy can want selfish things and how girls have to protect their 'reputations' and being easily used in a way that does not benefit your future. Insecure is never knowing who is whom or how to tell until too late, its so much simpler to growl and offend than to deal with each worthy boy at each meeting.



Um, I afraid I really dont agree. I dont know where you got the idea that girls dont bully beause they sure as hell Do. Insecurity isnt necessarily about feeling physically threatened, it can be feelings of internal inadequacy and being unsure where you stand in the pecking order. Its called a Zero-sum Game. Thats where you put someone else down to build yourself up. Thats what those girls are doing by using those strong words, trying to make him feel bad so they can feel good. "creep" and "creepy" are girlslang terms for an (actively)unattractive male. Teenage girls will pretend to be scared of someone as a way of mocking him and conveying their revulsion.


I don't know where you got the idea that I said women don't bully! I would even venture that women bully far more than men (oh, noes! I can hear them beating on my door to take away my feminist identification card, now!) I was hoping to give a bit of insight as to the scare stories and the fear instilled into girls about boys. How girls display that fear is what you see, how we are programmed to display that is what I was hoping to expose.