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IsabellaLinton
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27 Dec 2018, 7:17 pm

Childcare costs a fortune, equivalent to or exceeding what many parents make per month.
Then there's the question of who will get the child from daycare to school or school to home, once they start school.
Some children start school and still have daycare before or after school, so the cost doesn't diminish.

If the parent works 9 - 5 they have to leave home by 8.00 (or sooner) to get the child to daycare, drop them off, get them settled, and drive themselves to work -- assuming they don't work 1.5 hours from home by public transport like kortie.

work until 5 and you have to pick up the children by 6. youngsters are supposed to be in bed by 7.30ish.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very expensive.

I've seen my brother raise his son as a single father.
If grandparents can help, that's a bonus of course. Not everyone has that support system in place.

And Sly, I'm not saying don't have children. My brother couldn't afford it but he made it work.
Children are worth every penny.


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27 Dec 2018, 7:17 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You have to consider this, and this is very important:

Childcare COSTS MONEY.

Many working class people pay their parents to help raise the kids while the parents work.

That's another point, and if you're working min wage it could cost more hourly to put your child in daycare than you earn from work. In any case, I don't agree with putting children in childcare all-day every day. If you take into consideration what the child would want if it could articulate it, it would want to stay home all day with mommy or daddy, not be thrown in with a bunch of other children in an unfamiliar environment with unfamiliar people. At least getting a relative to care for the child will allow it to bond with someone who's probably going to be in their life and someone who cares about the child, not someone who's just doing it as a way to earn money.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:20 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I'm actually on your side, Sly.

I'm talking about how family pitches in.

If you think I'm implying something else, you'd be wrong.

Many plumbers, tradesman, do make good money---and they consider themselves working class----and they don't give a cats butt whether anybody looks down on their profession. Because they know it's useful and viable.

My wife has a brother who's a tailor, another who's an auto mechanic, another who's a floor installer, another who works for the Trinidad army.


I wish I could handle working full time and be able to do a trade. I’d be useful atleast then.
It’s too bad I couldn’t do construction like my uncle he’s upper middle class now.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:22 pm

You're a big guy, Sly. You could do construction.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:22 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Childcare costs a fortune, equivalent to or exceeding what many parents make per month.
Then there's the question of who will get the child from daycare to school or school to home, once they start school.
Some children start school and still have daycare before or after school, so the cost doesn't diminish.

If the parent works 9 - 5 they have to leave home by 8.00 (or sooner) to get the child to daycare, drop them off, get them settled, and drive themselves to work -- assuming they don't work 1.5 hours from home by public transport like kortie.

work until 5 and you have to pick up the children by 6. youngsters are supposed to be in bed by 7.30ish.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very expensive.

I've seen my brother raise his son as a single father.
If grandparents can help, that's a bonus of course. Not everyone has that support system in place.

And Sly, I'm not saying don't have children. My brother couldn't afford it but he made it work.
Children are worth every penny.


I’ve given up on every having kids.
It makes me cry sometimes. Like now



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27 Dec 2018, 7:24 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You're a big guy, Sly. You could do construction.

I’m delicate or as men say I’m too gay or a p word.
Men are cruel.
I’d be better in a office type job
But I can’t work full time both are out.

Sissy is anything thing they called me



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27 Dec 2018, 7:25 pm

It's not over, Sly.

Construction can be the type of work that's similar to factory work. Sort of monotonous. You can be a bricklayer.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:26 pm

sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Childcare costs a fortune, equivalent to or exceeding what many parents make per month.
Then there's the question of who will get the child from daycare to school or school to home, once they start school.
Some children start school and still have daycare before or after school, so the cost doesn't diminish.

If the parent works 9 - 5 they have to leave home by 8.00 (or sooner) to get the child to daycare, drop them off, get them settled, and drive themselves to work -- assuming they don't work 1.5 hours from home by public transport like kortie.

work until 5 and you have to pick up the children by 6. youngsters are supposed to be in bed by 7.30ish.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very expensive.

I've seen my brother raise his son as a single father.
If grandparents can help, that's a bonus of course. Not everyone has that support system in place.

And Sly, I'm not saying don't have children. My brother couldn't afford it but he made it work.
Children are worth every penny.


I’ve given up on every having kids.
It makes me cry sometimes. Like now


My brother and I fostered and eventually adopted his son. That cost another bleeding fortune but I won't even go there.
It's worth it Sly. Of all the things to go into debt for, children are top of the list. I honestly hope you will have children one day, even if you are a step-father.


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27 Dec 2018, 7:28 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
It's not over, Sly.

Construction can be the type of work that's similar to factory work. Sort of monotonous. You can be a bricklayer.

Masonry is a trade you have to go to school then apprenticeship(which don’t exist) so you need experience.
School tried to get me to go to that program where they teach you a trade and set you up with a apprenticeship but my mom said no cause it would have mean living away from home at the prison like facility.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:31 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
sly279 wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
Childcare costs a fortune, equivalent to or exceeding what many parents make per month.
Then there's the question of who will get the child from daycare to school or school to home, once they start school.
Some children start school and still have daycare before or after school, so the cost doesn't diminish.

If the parent works 9 - 5 they have to leave home by 8.00 (or sooner) to get the child to daycare, drop them off, get them settled, and drive themselves to work -- assuming they don't work 1.5 hours from home by public transport like kortie.

work until 5 and you have to pick up the children by 6. youngsters are supposed to be in bed by 7.30ish.


I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's very expensive.

I've seen my brother raise his son as a single father.
If grandparents can help, that's a bonus of course. Not everyone has that support system in place.

And Sly, I'm not saying don't have children. My brother couldn't afford it but he made it work.
Children are worth every penny.


I’ve given up on every having kids.
It makes me cry sometimes. Like now


My brother and I fostered and eventually adopted his son. That cost another bleeding fortune but I won't even go there.
It's worth it Sly. Of all the things to go into debt for, children are top of the list. I honestly hope you will have children one day, even if you are a step-father.


I’m not good enough to date single women
Single moms require more since they have kids.
I’ll never have kids. Doesn’t seem my sister will either so guess my family line ends with my niece and my cousin we have kids they were all successful and luckily didn’t get any of my grandpas autism

What crappy luck is that
My grandpa had it he had 4 kids 3 boys and one girl only the girl gets it then only I out of my 3 siblings gets it.
Though we all have some of his conditions.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:33 pm

Sounded like a Job Corps type of thing. That might have been good for you.

You're too old for Job Corps now, though.

Maybe I should research how 30-year-old people can get apprenticeships.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:35 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Sounded like a Job Corps type of thing. That might have been good for you.

You're too old for Job Corps now, though.

Maybe I should research how 30-year-old people can get apprenticeships.

Yes it was job corps
The high school took a bunch of use disabled up to see it.
There’s no apprenticeships here
It’s a system that went away, you go to college get a degree then go around begging everyone e for s job hoping one will give you as most require 2 years experience



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27 Dec 2018, 7:48 pm

Check out Oregon.gov. Apprenticeship and Training Division.

I guess most are for very young people----but you never know.



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27 Dec 2018, 7:52 pm

Sly, my brother and I are autistic as well. We "got it" from my dad's side of the family. His family name will end as well, so I know how frustrating that is. Yes, my nephew is legally adopted but he kept his mother's surname so the name (and the biology, to be technical) stops there as well. I understand how frustrating it can be.

Please look into kortie's research. He's a good man and he is trying really hard to find you programs that could help.

I do feel for your situation, as you know. :heart:


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27 Dec 2018, 8:05 pm

By the way: there are no "upper age limits" for any apprenticeship program, except in "very limited situations."

Which means that a 30-year-old man could be an apprentice.

You have one advantage over some other people: you don't have a criminal record.



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27 Dec 2018, 8:08 pm

Isn't goldfish an apprentice drywaller?
He's not exactly young.


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