Bigotry against involuntarily celibate men

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15 Jan 2019, 10:49 am

Again, there is no bigotry against involuntarily celibate men, but only against their behavior -- whining, crying, and complaining that they can't get laid.

It is their behavior that turns women off to them.

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15 Jan 2019, 11:24 am

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Also, the use of Incel as a proper noun (capital) (abbreviation) does imply membership with a radicalised ideology. You could say "I am involuntarily celibate" without the group name, but that would also be redundant in my opinion. Why would a person choose those words, regardless of the connotation? The word involuntary isn't needed. We don't go around saying "I'm involuntarily good looking", "I'm involuntarily hungry", "I'm involuntarily overweight", "I'm involuntarily related to my uncle", etc. Likewise "celibate" implies that there has been a choice made to avoid sexual activity (e.g., for religious reasons such a monk or priest).

It's quite an oxymoron. "I'm involuntarily making a choice". ?

Just say you are a virgin, or say you aren't sexually active. Nuff said.

Why can’t people say incel extremist. Cause we are lazy. That’s why abbreviations exist cause humans are lazy. No I don’t want to type out involuntary celibate every single time anymore then I want to type out Oregon every time when I can just say OR.

cause there’s celibate people and there’s involuntary celibate people
. I’m the latter as I don’t choose to be celibate.
For the first group it’s a positive, happy thing they celebrate and enjoy doing for various reasons. The latter hates it and wants to be having relationships and sex.

So if a medical professional was to describe the later they call you involuntary celibate which is easier to type then saying celibate not by choice.
What if Incel extremists started calling themselves feminist. Would all feminist stop calling themselves that? What if they called themselves liberals, would all liberals stop using it? Can extremists groups take words from the rest of us, is that something as a free society want to let happen?

As they say if you live in fear of terrorist they win, that’s what terrorist want, so the best we can do is keep living despite them. Incel extremists are basically terrorist and by letting the, define words you’re letting them win. You’re giving them the power they want. They’re altering your words and your life. I refuse to give in to terror.

It's also quicker to type virgin.

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15 Jan 2019, 12:40 pm

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I'm not trying to imply that all women are picky about men's physique and income. But all the ones who aren't taken, because they had nothing stopping them from finding men they're attracted to years ago.

As for me, I could never get a decent job because I'm disabled and I have no marketable skills. It's understandable that women require a man with the financial stability to support her and her children. I can't fault them for that. I'm just saying nobody will ever want me because I'm unable to provide.

We can always date someone who is also disabled and on disability. I would check the laws first to see if you both can get married because last I knew, in the state on Montana, you lose your Social security benefits if you get married so that means two disabled people can't get married if they are both on it or if their partner can't provide for them with their one income so they can't marry.

In Oregon I married and still got them. I didn't check with the state first because I was still working and on unemployment and not on any disability benefits. I didn't qualify for SSI though so they put me on SSDI. Same with my husband. Don't quote me on it.

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15 Jan 2019, 12:52 pm

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The first time I heard Incel was when a young woman near my hometown was brutally murdered on the street, during her lunch hour. I had no idea what an Incel was but could only compare it to Marc Lépine and the Montréal Massacre of fourteen young female engineers in 1989. I did not know what "Incel" was short for.

WP was the first time I realised "Incel" was short for involuntarily celibate. I am involuntarily celibate. Does that make me an Incel? Far from it, because there is a connotation to the word which evokes horror. The word certainly implies rage and a desire to retaliate.

I first heard the word incel on Reddit and I looked it up online and thought "Oh, it's just a man that hasn't gotten laid yet and can't find a woman to do it." I at first couldn't understand the judgement against men who are virgins not by choice and I kept reading the sub forums about it and realized they have nothing against men who are still a virgin or can't find a partner, it is about men who are single and blame it on women and all these men are violent and abusive and dangerous and are misogynists and justify mass shooters and tell women they hope they get raped just because the woman turned them down.

I have known plenty of men online who were single and couldn't find another partner and none of them were like that. My husband was still a virgin in his 30's and he didn't blame women or justify any mass shooters on women or bad talk them.

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15 Jan 2019, 4:26 pm

Any single male that expresses wanting a romantic partner and may be unable to because of whatever reason, even if he's non-violent is automatically assumed to either be whining/entitled or disrespectful of women by default.

I don't think that's fair either.

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15 Jan 2019, 6:28 pm

League_Girl wrote:

sly279 wrote:

IsabellaLinton wrote:

It's also quicker to type virgin.

But someone can be a virgin and not want sex.

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19 Jan 2019, 5:23 pm

Fnord wrote:

I provided several articles that attack involuntary celibate men. I provided examples from my personal experience. And even several of the posts on this very thread have proven my point.

But you still claim that bigotry against myself and people like me doesn't exist.

I've also already refuted your claim that it is my behavior which repels women; as many women have often insisted that they only reject me romantically but still desire to maintain a close albeit strictly platonic friendship.

So I really don't care what the mods think or do, since I'll never be coming back anyway.

Magnet out.

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19 Jan 2019, 5:53 pm

Self-pity, verbal abuse, attempts at emotional manipulation through threats of self-harm, blaming others for mental health issues.

Yup, checks all the incel boxes. This is what they do, and they wonder why they are alone.

I hope he gets the professional help he obviously needs. It seems like most if not all of them could solve their issues with some good mental health care. Romantic relationships with women can't (and shouldn't be expected to) provide that kind of help.

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19 Jan 2019, 5:59 pm

If you are able to make friends who are women, you are able to find love with a woman.

Even if people are as*holes (I mean in general), why give the as*holes their victory by giving up on life?

They don’t deserve their victory. And you don’t deserve to die.

By the way, Elliot Rodger was an as*hole, too.

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19 Jan 2019, 6:06 pm

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One of the sadder things about their worship of him is that he never even attempted to speak to girls, and his rage came from the fact that women never offered themselves to him without him having to talk to them first.

It's so irrational, and they don't see that their worship of that (and of him) is just as irrational. I would call it tragic if it didn't prompt such homicidal ideation in them--as it is, "incredibly foolish and dangerous" is more accurate than tragic.

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19 Jan 2019, 10:11 pm

Hollywood_Guy wrote:

Well, that's not true.

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19 Jan 2019, 10:16 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:

Even if people are as*holes (I mean in general), why give the as*holes their victory by giving up on life?

They don’t deserve their victory. And you don’t deserve to die.

There's someone on another forum who is 58 and not only has he never had a girlfriend or had sex, his dreams smashed on the ground and the people who bullied him still laugh at him. I'd rather die than live to that age if things don't get better for me.

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19 Jan 2019, 11:21 pm

Marknis wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Even if people are as*holes (I mean in general), why give the as*holes their victory by giving up on life?

They don’t deserve their victory. And you don’t deserve to die.

So what are you doing to make them better?

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20 Jan 2019, 2:23 am

It really doesn’t help the community by trying to “diagnose” frusturated single guys with the Incel label by using some hazy lists and hazy parallels.

For one, magneto didn’t promote violence, which is a common thing among Incels, at least not on this board and we can’t assume he does eslsewhere without a proof.

If Incels on Incel boards say they like chocolate, and some single guy here says he likes chocolate too then that doesn’t mean the latter is one of them.

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20 Jan 2019, 11:57 am

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

Marknis wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Even if people are as*holes (I mean in general), why give the as*holes their victory by giving up on life?

They don’t deserve their victory. And you don’t deserve to die.

So what are you doing to make them better?

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20 Jan 2019, 1:38 pm

The Grand Inquisitor wrote:

Marknis wrote:

kraftiekortie wrote:

Even if people are as*holes (I mean in general), why give the as*holes their victory by giving up on life?

They don’t deserve their victory. And you don’t deserve to die.

So what are you doing to make them better?

I tried to go out and socialize before I made that post. It was a very disappointing experience, almost enough to make me consider shutting myself away or killing myself. The person who I fear is a future me said that he struggled with socialization at the age I am now even though he doesn't have Aspergers. He even said women hated him on sight and one even had him kicked out of a car he was car pooling in.

My detractors here can claim otherwise but they do not want me to get better. One of them (Fnord) tried to accuse me of having a sock puppet account but the idiot had nothing substantial to base his claim on.

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