Success at love
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Here we are agreeing again. Cool
Yeah, we actually do agree on a lot of things (especially in principle)... the only major disagreements are that I think dating should be slightly more serious than you make it out to be, and that you think there's lots of women out there that like me and I'm just not seeing it... (except on that one I have never had a woman say hi to me unless I approached her first, and then they're just going "who is that weird guy talking to me?")
Hi All;
My wife and I met twenty plus years ago when I showed up at her boyfriends front door after quitting two menial jobs and driving my $200.00 car, drunk, from Houston to Ft. Worth. Her boyfriend was a friend of mine, and I showed up at 7:00 AM after driving all night. That night we all went out to the bars and she and I clicked and spent most of the time talking, dancing, etc. That night, after we got back to my friends apartment, he passed out drunk while she and I continued talking. Eventually, we both crawled into bed WITH HER PASSED OUT BOYFRIEND!! ! To this day, we still argue about who inniated "the deed", but I contend it was her playing footsie with me that brought it on. At the time I was just trying to go to sleep! For her it was pretty much a "Grudge F..., (well, you know)", as my freind was pretty much a BS artist. For me, it was just a matter of "OK, we can do this". As the act commenced, she was moaning and actually trying to wake my friend up, so I litterally had my hand over her mouth, "rape style" knowing that if he woke up, uh...it could be VERY bad. Folks, you just can't make this S%$# up!! !! !
For the next couple of months, we became what today would be called "friends with benifits", (my generation had a less gentiel term). Ultimately, she broke up with her boyfriend and a short time later we ended up as a couple. The thing that astounded her about me is that I was the first person she had ever met that actually told the truth. One of her comments from those days I think is telling. I drink a lot of milk and she observed "Men who drink milk have a little boyish character about them". When I first told her I Loved her, she has since told me, she told a friend that it scared her because she knew I was telling the truth.
We shacked for fifteen years, and a very rocky fifteen at that, but ultimately got married in January '03.
Well, I don't think I would term it "sweet", farcical perhaps. But to answer your question; in my youth, I, like many of the younger (and some older) posters on this site, had what I would term a fairy tale vision of what a mate (or life in general for that matter) would or should be. To quote Ron White: "I was WROOONG"! On the "settling" topic: Did I settle? Well, yes and no. My wife is by no means what I would have picked if I had gone to the wife store. In many ways she is better, in some not so much. I assure you she would say the same of me. My wife is no hottie, but at times when I look at her I find her to be the most beautiful woman in the world, and I mean that. I would call that incongruity Love. She is NT, and as such for many years we had to work through the issues of dishonesty, manipulitiveness, infidelity (mostly mine, but she was no angel either), trust, and what I would term "general growing up".
I've always felt marriage is forever, and as an aspie, how does one gauge the future behavior of another person? We, as a rule, are inept at predicting, or even understanding, the behavior of other people. That in large part is what makes us aspies. It took that long for us to mutually believe "till death do us part" was a real probability. It also helped that at the time we got married I was on my death bed, so it didn't seem likely that death would be that long coming. Once again I was wrong! It's funny the twists and turns life takes you through, but none the less I am very grateful for my wife and am perpetually amazed at how much we both have grown.
I think it can definitely happen. I'm currently separated from my husband, but I've known him for 20 years and we were together for 10 of those years. Even though it dissolved, we're very good friends. In the end, we make better friends than spouses, but we have two incredible kids from that union. We're both Aspies and I think we made a good go of it, even though our marriage didn't make the long haul.
QFT
really no one needs a relationship to be a complete person. They are actually a lot of work and waste of energy that you could be investing in somethiing more worthwhile such as your special interest, or charitable endevours.
the pain and trouble of relationships out ways any possible benefits.
You are very lucky you did not kill anyone or get arrested. Do you tell your kids how you drove drunk to meet your wife? You sound like a great role model. How many other times have you drove drunk?
Sorry for the rant, but I know alot of people and family members that are like this and when I hear about people that abuse alcohol and drugs it gets to me.
Interest, or charitable endevours. Or charitable adventures as part of a special interest. Point being, it's difficult to be happy relationship if your not happy by yourself.
Interest, or charitable endevours. Or charitable adventures as part of a special interest. Point being, it's difficult to be happy relationship if your not happy by yourself.
Charitable is almost a theme for my life at this point... I practically live in a church with all the stuff I volunteer around there, from simple stuff like running the youth group all the way up to going on mission trips (mostly in the vein of home renovation/construction)... I'm not asking for any recognition; the only point I want to make is that while yes, it does take my mind off the situation for a while, it doesn't change the fact that I'm still alone... and that's what really has me down...
Interest, or charitable endevours. Or charitable adventures as part of a special interest. Point being, it's difficult to be happy relationship if your not happy by yourself.
Charitable is almost a theme for my life at this point... I practically live in a church with all the stuff I volunteer around there, from simple stuff like running the youth group all the way up to going on mission trips (mostly in the vein of home renovation/construction)... I'm not asking for any recognition; the only point I want to make is that while yes, it does take my mind off the situation for a while, it doesn't change the fact that I'm still alone... and that's what really has me down...
dont feel down about being alone, it really is much better than being with someone. They only end up being spiteful and hurtful, they move your things and stop you doing your interests. relationships are over valued and not what you think they would be like.
I feel the same way. I prefer living alone. That's part of my AS. I would be a nervous wreck if I had to live with someone else. I tried the roommate thing in college and it totally drove me nuts.
But as far as my original answer that was twisted out of proportion, I'm only saying that a guy who is interested in pursuing a relationship should not ignore interested girls who aren't hotties. If you are ignoring the lardbuckets that like you, because you are waiting for a hottie to come along and like you, you might be in for a long wait.
A guy's attractiveness plays a very important role. Attractiveness is not the same as good looks, but looks play a big part. Attractiveness is composed of many variables, here they are in order of importance:
1. Money/wealth/good and stable job.
2. Spontaneous Smile.
3. Face.
4. Good Personality.
5. Hair.
6. Physique (Fat=Bad, Toned muscles=Good).
7. Nice Clothes.
8. Intelligence.
Note that some are more easily improved than others. Also, a spontaneous smile does not mean "Good teeth". A person can have a great smile and have ugly, rotten, worm infested teeth. Likewise, a guy with perfect teeth can have a lousy smile.
But know that your overall attractiveness will get you the first date, but a good personality is much more important to get the second date.
Also, there are more than a few guys out there that had happy marriages when they had a nice house and a good paying job. But when they get layed off and their home gets foreclosed, suddenly their wives file for divorce. That is why #1 is what it is above.
But as far as my original answer that was twisted out of proportion, I'm only saying that a guy who is interested in pursuing a relationship should not ignore interested girls who aren't hotties. If you are ignoring the lardbuckets that like you, because you are waiting for a hottie to come along and like you, you might be in for a long wait.
A guy's attractiveness plays a very important role. Attractiveness is not the same as good looks, but looks play a big part. Attractiveness is composed of many variables, here they are in order of importance:
1. Money/wealth/good and stable job.
2. Spontaneous Smile.
3. Face.
4. Good Personality.
5. Hair.
6. Physique (Fat=Bad, Toned muscles=Good).
7. Nice Clothes.
8. Intelligence.
Note that some are more easily improved than others. Also, a spontaneous smile does not mean "Good teeth". A person can have a great smile and have ugly, rotten, worm infested teeth. Likewise, a guy with perfect teeth can have a lousy smile.
But know that your overall attractiveness will get you the first date, but a good personality is much more important to get the second date.
Also, there are more than a few guys out there that had happy marriages when they had a nice house and a good paying job. But when they get layed off and their home gets foreclosed, suddenly their wives file for divorce. That is why #1 is what it is above.
Sometimes marriages break up after the man loses his job. It is NOT because a woman will leave a man who suddenly loses his job. Very few will. In an actual happy marriage, the couple stands by each other during those hard times and works through them together. In an UNhappy marriage, the loss of a job can bring up issues the unhappy couple kept buried but smoldering that suddenly bubble to the top because this new problem destroys what shaky ground their already unstable marriage was on.
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