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I would consider it, if she was really attractive and nice, but the long term prospects aren't good. I'm quite liberal/ artsy, and an atheist. She is artsy, but conservative and Christian (I have someone specific in mind).

Hm-m. Fiscal conservative, certainly, since that's my own personality and preference. Religion doesn't mix well with me, so that would likely be a problem. But other factors are much more important when I consider dating a woman, but I did date a relatively conservative Christian Republican woman briefly, and it ended when she cheated on me.

Meh I wouldn't really care. As long as said conservative christian could put up with an opinionated atheist like moi

In other words, to attract liberal artsy hipster-ish people, I have to actually be one of tham?

I was on OKCupid, and nearly the liberal people with the same interests explicitly said not to contact them if you are conservative or Christian.

Yeah... If you're concerned about high taxes and inefficient government, then you shouldn't vote based on party lines. IIRC, government spending tends to depend on who holds the legislature and white house. Regardless of whether or not democrats or republicans control both, when one party controls both we tend to see greater spending, which leads to more taxation. The most frugal periods are when the legislature and presidency are split.

Look at Iraq during the last Republican administration. Direct costs are approaching seven hundred billion, and the division of our armed forces means we totally blew Afghanistan, the original (and only valid) focus of the war on terror, so there's another couple hundred billion we need to spend there. Even then, those are only direct costs. There are other indirect costs that could end up driving the war past three trillion. Three trillion dollars is enough to fund public healthcare ala the U.K. for all 45 million uninsured people in this country for the next couple decades, w/ enough change left over to install enough renewable energy to power 10-15 million PHEVs/EVs a year.

The reason I asked is because in the absence of Christians and/or Republicans who like those interests, I thought I would open up to those with differing religious/political views, and see where I would stand with them (even if only hypothetical).

I agree. In many ways, Tim_Tex strikes me as a libertarian Christian.

Tim_Tex, if you remember this post I made awhile ago, you might want to reread it (if only for chuckles):
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt99661.html#2213276

Where do you stand on the social issues Tim? Like Abortion and Legalization of Marijuana? Also, how do you feel about the people around you? Do you see them as human beings who deserve the same basic rights as you, or do you feel they're a means to an end? You could benefit from re-evaluating your political views.

I was brought up to be a Republican, myself. I know there's a lot of support for the party in Texas, it promotes a certian group mentality.

Also, what would Jesus not like about you? I know it sounds a little personal of a question, but men in your demographic often feel as if they're letting someone down, does your church make you feel that you aren't adding up? I've been to several christian churches, and I've noticed that some of them will try to induce guilt. Sometimes, it's a good motivator, but I prefer the ones that take time to get to know you.

I think abortion should be an option for those who need it. If I were female, however, I probably wouldn't get one.

Marijuana: More research is needed to determine if it is reasonable to decriminalize it (i.e. has it been really proven to treat certain medical conditions, enough to warrant allowing it for medical purposes?)

Same-sex marriage: All marriage (gay and straight) licenses should be issued by third-party groups, rather than a government entity. In other words, the government should completely stay out of peoples' social lives.

Health care: should stay as is, due to stories I have heard about universal health care in other countries.

As for religion, I am a Lutheran. We are one of only two denominations that ordain GLBT pastors (the Episcopal Church is the other), and one of only a handful that ordain women. The Lutheran Church doesn't induce guilt in any way, and is not judgmental at all.

I don't want to pick nits or start a political debate here, but maybe a few questions would get you to think about these things in different ways (although honestly a lot of people just don't care one way or another about politics or religion).

Certainly many women are against abortion too, but even among women who have had an abortion, I doubt most of them really think they'll ever be getting one. Sexual and reproductive issues are just a lot different for women than they are for men, so it really takes a lot of perspective taking to understand what it must feel like to have menstrual cycles, pregnancy, and motherhood.

I can't say this for sure, but thinking about how women might approach circumstances differently might make you more attractive to women (generally, empathy and sympathy are attractive qualities in even just plain old friendships).

A lot of legal things aren't especially safe (alcohol consumption can easily endanger oneself and others; tobacco has known harmful effects). My personal stance is let people pick their poison—just make sure they're accountable if they harm others under intoxication. Things like rehabilitation centers should be financed by taxes on these items. Again, this is opinion, but "I'll let you do your thing if you let me do my thing," is probably a pretty popular ethos among the kind of women you claim to be interested in.

(Honestly, the whole medical marijuana debate is probably just a Trojan horse, but I haven't researched the issue enough to say for sure.)

This sounds an equitable policy. How would you approach things like income tax (everyone files individually?), healthcare benefits, etc.?

Is there one Lutheran church? I know there's a Lutheran Church – Missouri Synod based in St. Louis, and I think there's something like the Evangelical Lutherans. The Nordic countries each seem to have their own national Lutheran church.

well, I think it depends, I tend to think that a moderate-liberal may get along well with a moderate-conservative, when it comes to dating, but if they are a bit far from moderate, then a problem may occur there, however if we are talking about dating, I don't think it wouldn't be much of an issue as it would be within marriage I think.

I for one, have thought abut having some issues myself with a girl who wants to wait until marriage to have sex, given that I'm not too fond of the idea of marriage, but I'm not quite certain how would I be in such situation. Abortion may be a problem due to disagreements on the issue, if a situation like that rises. There would be the issue related to gays, what if a couple has a son or daughter that turns out gay? and one of them having a problem accepting their kid's sexuality to say an example, given that we are talking hypothetically. Or even the way kids should be educated, disagrements in which moral values should be teached to their kids, etc.

As well as a conservative wouldn't feel comfortable if their partner put her/his belief in practice, the beliefs he doesn't agree with.

I think the problem may be related more when it comes to marriage, unions or when kids are involved than just dating, and I personally would think it would be better that both share the same or similar perspectives.

As for the South-Park/Simpsons thing, I believe those requirements, if they are, should be somehow sacrificed a bit, or expect them to be tolerated at least rather than fully liked, other factors seem more important than that, but that's my opinion, given that I don't give much importance to that issue.

There was only one conservative, female Aspie who liked the things I like, but she ran off with another guy and refuses to even be my friend anymore.

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I'm sorry to hear that, she doesn't sound very nice. I'd be upset too.

I don't think your political views are a deal breaker, one AS trait is to have an intense area of focus, and politics seems to be something you focus on a lot. No girl wants a political debate on the first date. Being AS makes this difficult, but what other things would you talk to women about?

My sister is a liberal with expanded tastes. She can't sit through an episode of south park or the simpsons. When south park came out 10 years ago, it was new and different. Part of being artsy means you keep track of the new and different (or the old stuff that people forgot about).

I knew this girl who wanted to go to paris, I asked her why and she said "I love the culture" It sounded silly to me, she didn't speak any french and had the depth of a pauly shore movie. I never said it to her, but I called BS. That's one thing you may want to consider, calling BS, or taking a trip to paris and learning the ways.

It's like I have to pretend to be someone else.

This is no place for even a moderate Republican. Liberals think I am some sort of bigoted, gun-toting redneck. Right-wing-fundamentalists (who I am probably *more* at odds with) think I'm the Antichrist.

I know the feeling, I like christians because of their welcoming attitude, but if they knew what I was up to, they wouldn't like me as much. I like older women but I'm pretty youthful myself, I feed of of other people for structure and discipline. I still keep a certian person in mind when I'm deciding on the next. The funny thing is, I'm likely to change the criteria.

Part of the problem may be the honesty. You're way too honest with people. I remember this guy (Geoffry) who was always full of it. He did great with everyone he met, he was a complete social butterfly.

I personally couldn't lie like him, but I have a better time not revealing the truth. It's a hard skill to pick up, but perhaps you could learn a way to contribute to the conversation. It's a game I pley, the object is to stay on topic and not talk about myself too much. I have to see it as a game because I just can't do it any other way.

How do you approach social situations with prospects?