feeling a little pathetic...23 and no long term relationship

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I'm sure they are but they're still entitled to vent some spleen from time to time about it.

Thanks Jak (though I'm a gay male, not a girl lol) Kilroy you can have your opinion if you want, but it doesn't really help me to say those things. I already mentioned in my OP that I know I'm very lucky for the things I have. I also know that anyone here who has never even had a date, would still feel empty if they've had a lot of meaningless sex throughout their life. Sex means NOTHING, if the person you are having it with doesn't want anything to do with you afterwards. Especially if you have strong feelings for the person. Those are just my views on this subject and if anything, it might make the people who haven't had sex yet feel a little better.

i beg to differ being lonely with just sex

Man that's so true. The last relationship I had was amazing, but then I took some bad advice and wrecked it. After sitting back and thinking for the longest time it dawned on me what was what. Ultimately, it taught me several good lessons including how to move on.

In the past relationships were all I could think about, and they were no where to be seen. Now that I've decided to hold off on them for a while the opportunity seems to be everywhere. Lol, the problem now is that I just don't want to initiate anything with these girls until I get myself sorted out.

GOOD idea! I need to get myself sorted out first.

Hey Dustin, try 30 .

I guess I'd just say that you need to remind yourself of one thing - we're on a causal frame of genetics and environment, we technically all or at least almost all try to do the best for ourselves within our own means but the potency of that is a combination of what information we have around us and can we get our nervous systems or emotional core/subconscious to actually utilize it as we should. Likely outcome - there is no freewill, you are exactly who you should be, its not your fault - everyone had their own inputs, their own genetic proclivities, every person out there is something of a paradigm unto themselves. In other words don't beat yourself up even if most people seem to be getting it more easily than you; your not a failed version of them, your just dealing with internal rules, limitations, problems, solutions, etc. that are unique to you - if they had the same things, *in the same proportions*, and got the same impulse reactions from society (which seems to govern attractiveness whether a person is classically good looking or not) - they would be exactly where your at and their ability or attempts to choose the strong, positive, and self help routes would even be of absolute indifference when it came to the end results.

I'm 35 and have never been in a relationship.

I'm 25 and have never had a girlfriend and only been on 1 real date (in high school) which was a failure. I'm also severely depressed, but somehow optimistic that someday it'll work out somehow. Maybe I'm just delusional though.