I Don't Understand This Older Guy Thing

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08 Feb 2010, 4:32 pm

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Today me and my counselor were talking about the whole mature things. and i told he how my friend said that there are mature guys in HS and young guys who are mature...but no one wants that guy. And my counselor said "yes exactly".
Why do so many young girls also date as*holes? because as*holes are immature just like they are.
There are freshman and younger girls at school who like me, but first of all im 18...and when i do try to talk to them, they play mind games.

Now idk anything about girls in their 20s, so im not gonna go there. but from my experiences so many girls at school always talk about mature guys...but there are mature guys there, but they just ignore them.
I cant have a decent conversation with any girls my age. I admit that my conversational skills arent the best, but when I talk to older girls I can talk about anything such as (why people treat people certain ways, feelings, life, politics if that comes up) but most younger girls ive met are basically airheads who think about nothing but shopping and drama.
I cant relate to most girls my age.
On my trip to spain, I didnt even talk to the girls from my group because they were too fast and on to the next subject to quick...but I made friends with some of the other teachers from the groups, and they are more mellow, and slow. I remember everytime we got on the bus to go somehwhere...i would chose to sit down by one of the teachers because they took time to understand me more.
On the plane back to the US, a girl from my class told another girl "he's weird".
But none of the teachers ever said that. I believe thats because they are more tolerant and mature than these young girls. I believe i am more mature than most young girls.
So this whole thing about girls being more mature than guys is bs...it depends on the person.

why do girls get to generalize on this forum, but if a guy halfway generalizes he gets kicked off or warned?

I dont like Hitler, but people you hate can be right at times
He said "how fortunate for leaders that men do not think"
and it's true, men do not think. that's why we make generalizations, and we go along with what society says, and how a man is suppose to ask a woman out, or how people say older men are better at sex, and so forth.
it's ridiculous


First, there's a LOT of very bad people that have very good ideas. Being an evil sadistic son of a b!tch doesn't mean you're stupid. On the contrary, if you're good at it then you're probably very intelligent, at least enough to make a name for yourself. The stupid ones tend to die pretty early.

Next, men are simply generally easier to stereotype than women because the stereotypes are more often correct. Certainly not always, but it is more likely. Second, the stereotypes that I've seen more often on this board are MUCH more slanted against women than men. Many many more posts ostracizing women in general than posts ostracizing males. Thirdly, it's always been more common for this society to take a woman's viewpoint, that's simply sociological fact.

For the maturity thing, yes, people want people around their maturity level. Mature people find immature people annoying, impatient, reckless and stupid. Immature people find mature people boring, overbearing, trepid and know-it-alls. Regardless if they say they want something else, it's because they're deluding themselves into what they think it is if their own maturity level doesn't match somewhat. Unless of course it's a purely sexual desire and the older wants the younger for stamina/looks and younger wants the older for experience and skill.


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08 Feb 2010, 5:26 pm

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But most aspies, especially the men, never get the chance to have sex or date in their teens and 20s...so they become clueless at 30. and im not sure, cuz im not in my 30s or 40s, but if someone doesnt have relationship experience or sex by that time then they may be

1. Totally indifferent/uncaring about a relationship
2. extremely desperate, horny, wanting to be loved and approved, and not knowing how to handle a relationship and naive at sex.


Yeah, I know. There are a lot of Aspie men in their 30s and 40s who are having experiences a lot of guys have in their teens and 20s. And you're right, by the time they find someone to date, love, marry....they can be really damaged and taken advantage of by the wrong woman (NT or Aspie). Or they're willing to take on anyone who's willing to take them on, rather than holding out for a loving, kind person.

It's sad, and I realize that. But you can be better prepared to be a good partner: anyone can educate himself when it comes to relationships (I'd give that advice to everyone - Aspie or NT). There are a lot of good books around that talk about functional relationships, how to be the best person you can be....stuff like that. Authors like Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra are a pretty good bet. If you take the time to educate yourself about what to expect in a healthy relationship, you'll at least be able to take action when you realize you're in an unhealthy relationship. You can always try to correct the course of a bad relationship....or end it, if correction isn't possible.

There are lots of people who think even a bad relationship is better than no relationship. And that's so untrue. There is nothing worse than realizing that the person who is supposed to be your friend, your supporter, your protector, your love - is actually worse than your worst enemy. He/she can exploit your vulnerabilities, and hurt you worse than any enemy could - because you allowed that person into your heart. Lots of women I know - quality women, beautiful, successful, smart women - have settled for men who've made them miserable. I've learned the hard way myself - it's better to be alone than to be with the wrong person.


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08 Feb 2010, 6:24 pm

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Yeah, Older men just want sex too.


And that's a bad thing because? Most of us want sex, among other things.

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In many cases they're worse for wanting sex than younger men. Usually if an older man wants a younger woman its just for sex (as in larger than an 8 year age gap).


Because younger women have nothing to offer besides sex? That doesn't make sense... it's not like they suddenly grow a brain at 30 or 40 or whatever.


Because?

Don't put words in my mouth.

A) I never said it was a bad thing
B) I never implied younger women have nothing to offer beside sex.

Perhaps you should direct these lame accusations at an older man shagging a trophy wife instead of a 24 year old woman who prefers older men.



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08 Feb 2010, 9:21 pm

I think everyone considers that when they're dating an older guy. I don't like overgeneralizing an entire population because some older guys are jerks, but I can tell you I hated dating guys my age. My boyfriend is seI ven years older than me, which doesn't sound like a huge difference but I'm 21 and he's about to turn 28. He's also been living on his own since he was 17 and he is in a very different place in his life than I am (I live at home and go to college; he's living in an apartment and used to work for Anheuser-Busch for five years and now works for the USDA...)

It works out in our case because he is more financially stable and he helps take care of me. He's mature and interested in a long-term relationship where most 21-year-old guys are more for casual ones. He is also a genius and knew a lot about autism so when we started hanging out he understood my "quirks" and occasional immature behavior and it didn't bother him. He also has excellent social skills and that's helped a lot because he helps me understand what signals I am accidentally sending and what signals other people are sending me. But it was definitely never a thing where he provided money or emotional support in return for sex. I help pay for some things and we have a good emotional relationship. Actually, when we started dating he had no idea whether or not we would ever have sex. I definitely don't think this is a good arrangement for everyone but I know a lot of people prefer it for the same reasons I do, and if you're interested in the same topics you still have tons of things to talk about.



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08 Feb 2010, 9:29 pm

I wish there were women like this who accept quirks period. And helping out financially and having her own place and being older would be a plus. But that's never gonna happen to me.



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08 Feb 2010, 9:59 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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Yeah, Older men just want sex too.


And that's a bad thing because? Most of us want sex, among other things.

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In many cases they're worse for wanting sex than younger men. Usually if an older man wants a younger woman its just for sex (as in larger than an 8 year age gap).


Because younger women have nothing to offer besides sex? That doesn't make sense... it's not like they suddenly grow a brain at 30 or 40 or whatever.


Because?

Don't put words in my mouth.

A) I never said it was a bad thing
B) I never implied younger women have nothing to offer beside sex.

Perhaps you should direct these lame accusations at an older man shagging a trophy wife instead of a 24 year old woman who prefers older men.


Why should I direct any accusations at all at an older man shagging his wife? Or even his younger girlfriend? And how is a 24 year old woman who prefers older men any better than an older man that prefers 24 year old women?



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08 Feb 2010, 10:32 pm

I don't understand it at all.



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09 Feb 2010, 2:01 am

Wayne wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Wayne wrote:
hale_bopp wrote:
Yeah, Older men just want sex too.


And that's a bad thing because? Most of us want sex, among other things.

Quote:
In many cases they're worse for wanting sex than younger men. Usually if an older man wants a younger woman its just for sex (as in larger than an 8 year age gap).


Because younger women have nothing to offer besides sex? That doesn't make sense... it's not like they suddenly grow a brain at 30 or 40 or whatever.


Because?

Don't put words in my mouth.

A) I never said it was a bad thing
B) I never implied younger women have nothing to offer beside sex.

Perhaps you should direct these lame accusations at an older man shagging a trophy wife instead of a 24 year old woman who prefers older men.


Why should I direct any accusations at all at an older man shagging his wife? Or even his younger girlfriend? And how is a 24 year old woman who prefers older men any better than an older man that prefers 24 year old women?


Because you got all bitchy at me for no reason. I have no idea why you wrote what you did like I was critisising older men wanting sex (better to ask them why they want it than me obviusly, I wouldn't know)

And you should also ask THEM if younger women have nothing to offer besides sex, NOT me as i don't DATE YOUNGER WOMEN.

JESUS.

How dare you be a total dick to me for no reason.



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09 Feb 2010, 4:49 am

My boyfriend's quite a bit older than me (I'm seriously not going to say by how much, but I'll just say that I'm in my mid twenties and sometimes feel uncomfortable being seen with him), but that's not why I chose him. Actually, I didn't choose him at all. It was an accident. I don't think if he were my age that he'd think about sex less, but I think our drives are about on par.

Now. Let's see... compared to a guy my age... Well, I tend to think of myself as about like a guy. I'm not, never have been, and never will be a girly girl, so I'll just compare him to me.

More mature? Yeah. He's more mature than me. That's a good thing.

Has his financial life together? Actually, I have more money, but I don't care. We don't have actual conversations about money, but I never forget a thing he tells me. Based on what I've pieced together, I'd say he has quite a bit of debt. In the thousands. I pride myself on my perfect credit and the fact that I don't actually *need* to work.

More considerate? Well, he's kind of a doormat and this annoys me. I'd like a guy who doesn't need to text/call me every five freaking minutes just to "see how I'm doing" I don't think that's an age thing. That's just him.

Makes me feel more protected? I take offense to this. I don't need to be protected.

What I really like about him being older is that he actually understands what the hell I'm talking about, but I don't think that's necessarily an age thing. I'm sure I could find that in any well read 20something.

I also like that he has his own place, which is what prevents me from dating guys who are still in college.

But really, I don't have any kind of upper or lower age limits (well... okay... let's not be crazy... I wouldn't date a 17 year old or a 70 year old, but you get what I mean).



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09 Feb 2010, 9:27 am

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I think everyone considers that when they're dating an older guy. I don't like overgeneralizing an entire population because some older guys are jerks, but I can tell you I hated dating guys my age. My boyfriend is seI ven years older than me, which doesn't sound like a huge difference but I'm 21 and he's about to turn 28. He's also been living on his own since he was 17 and he is in a very different place in his life than I am (I live at home and go to college; he's living in an apartment and used to work for Anheuser-Busch for five years and now works for the USDA...)

It works out in our case because he is more financially stable and he helps take care of me. He's mature and interested in a long-term relationship where most 21-year-old guys are more for casual ones. He is also a genius and knew a lot about autism so when we started hanging out he understood my "quirks" and occasional immature behavior and it didn't bother him. He also has excellent social skills and that's helped a lot because he helps me understand what signals I am accidentally sending and what signals other people are sending me. But it was definitely never a thing where he provided money or emotional support in return for sex. I help pay for some things and we have a good emotional relationship. Actually, when we started dating he had no idea whether or not we would ever have sex. I definitely don't think this is a good arrangement for everyone but I know a lot of people prefer it for the same reasons I do, and if you're interested in the same topics you still have tons of things to talk about.


You my friend are quite the lucky one it would seem. Finding an NT who already knows ASD's (and not the generally inaccurate public knowledge) is quite the rarity it would seem. As would the rest of your relationship.


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09 Feb 2010, 10:32 am

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Makes me feel more protected? I take offense to this. I don't need to be protected.


If that's directed at my comment, you misunderstood me. My reference was to protecting each other's feelings, as in not being rude, insensitive, insulting, etc. That's what I expect from a partner.


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09 Feb 2010, 10:58 am

HopeGrows wrote:
My reference was to protecting each other's feelings, as in not being rude, insensitive, insulting, etc. That's what I expect from a partner.


:lol: dont go for an aspie then!! :lol:



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09 Feb 2010, 2:04 pm

Lotusblossom, you make an interesting point, but I'm not convinced your statement applies to all Aspies. I think it may depend on where the Aspie in question is on the spectrum. There are lots of Aspies who can handle communication successfully....I'm thinking of professionals who are very capable of communicating effectively and politely with their colleagues. I've seen many examples of Aspies who are excellent communicators right here in this forum. So I don't know....I'm not sure an Aspie's ability to consider the impact of their communication on their partner's feelings is non-existent, or that it's even a skill that can't be learned (to some extent).

Also, there's a difference between a lapse in considering how what comes out of your mouth affects your partner (cause we all do that), and intentionally trying to hurt your partner. That was really the original point of my statement: you don't want to discover that someone you'd expect to avoid hurting you actually intends to hurt you. In my own Aspie/NT experiences, I haven't been bothered so much by form as by substance.


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09 Feb 2010, 3:03 pm

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Makes me feel more protected? I take offense to this. I don't need to be protected.


If that's directed at my comment, you misunderstood me. My reference was to protecting each other's feelings, as in not being rude, insensitive, insulting, etc. That's what I expect from a partner.

No. That was directed to everything in the original post. There's this general idea in society that women *need* protection. I don't.



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09 Feb 2010, 3:44 pm

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Makes me feel more protected? I take offense to this. I don't need to be protected.


If that's directed at my comment, you misunderstood me. My reference was to protecting each other's feelings, as in not being rude, insensitive, insulting, etc. That's what I expect from a partner.

No. That was directed to everything in the original post. There's this general idea in society that women *need* protection. I don't.


In todays age I don't understand that... in medieval times, yes it made sense, the physical strength of a male was enough to overpower a female. Today's tech negates that. Whoever has the stronger tech, not muscles, will win a fight. If you're not smart enough to carry technical physical protection (or you're a black belt), IE; handgun, mace, tazer; well then you weren't being very smart. Especially if you're in an area where you'd be taken advantage of.

If someone comes into your house to rob or murder you, I highly doubt your muscles are going to matter because they've probably got a gun. Whether you're male or female doesn't make a difference, you're still dead with a bullet in you.

Makes absolutely no logical sense to me. Strength isn't even a factor anymore for a fight, it's all about firepower. Knife loses to handgun loses to Automatic weaponry loses to bombs etc., etc..

Now if you're getting into deliberate fistfights with people stronger than you... well you need more help than I can give ya.


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09 Feb 2010, 4:20 pm

I'd probably win in a hand to hand fight against my bf, but I'd probably win against most people. I'm fairly athletic.

But you're right about technology. If the other person has a gun... ha. I'm screwed.