Is it better to follow my heart or my head?

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Omerik
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16 Feb 2010, 12:44 pm

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I did have very strong feelings for him though, that's my point. But sometimes for things to be better long-term, you have to suffer the heartbreak, get it out of your system and move on.

Perhaps I didn't understand you - I thought that you meant how sometimes these feelings are illusions. Like when you break up, and after sometime, you think only about the good things.

Anyway, if she doesn't feel "enough" heartbreak right now - perhaps it's better to give another chance, if it will clarify for them that it doesn't work?

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That's fair enough. I did admit that my post might be a bit biased towards my own experience, but I have seen enough couples to know that the ones who get back together, only to split up again, far out-number the ones who stay together second time round. But yes, that could happen and I do not pretend to know her boyfriend's mindset.

Fair play, you did mention this.

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Maybe it's just me then, but when I broke up with my ex, I started seeing the past through rose-tinted lenses and the good times took on a far greater significance than they were worth. I found that deliberat;ely reminding myself of the not-so-good times helped to keep things realistic

I have no experience - when I really like someone we don't date in the first place... So I'll take your word for it :wink:
(Only happened to me regarding another relationship, but nevermind)

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I am aware that our stories are not the same, but I felt that sharing mine might give her some insight into how I came across my own views and the advice that I am giving to her. My opinion that she should moved on is based on her following quote;

"we were just hurting each other and tearing each other apart. He would say i didnt put him first in the relashionship, or when i was stressed i would take it out on him. He would take some stuff the wrong way, leading him being horrible or rude to me, and not being mature. "

To me, this does not sound like a healthy relationship.

Sharing your story is fair, and as you said, you did mention it's yours... I just wanted to show another possible perspective, not disrespecting yours.

To me, he sounds jealous because he cares, and not understanding things correctly. That's definitely not healthy. His jealousy is no right to treat her like this. But if he's sorry, doesn't he deserve a second chance, perhaps?
However, she said they did love each other, if I understand correctly. So why throw it away, if you can try and fix it?

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I agree, it is up to angelgirl1224 to decide what she wants to do. But just as I cannot say you are wrong for having an 'optimistic' view of things and giving your own advice, please do not presume that those who have different advice to your own are in the wrong and being overly 'pessimistic' when they voice their own views based on experience.

You are 100% right. Sorry if I was understood otherwise. Your comment was fair, I tried to show another possible explanation. Not blaming you for anything, as you said - you mentioned "it may be biased". Fair play to you, sorry if was understood as saying your "overly" pessimistic. You aren't. You just told your story, you did nothing wrong.
I just displayed my more optimistic interpretation (maybe less realistic) - hope you don't take it personal, it shouldn't be :wink:



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16 Feb 2010, 1:10 pm

Go to a quiet and comfortable place where you can close your eyes and meditate. Once you feel calm and relatively centered, imagine yourself in the mind of the YOU that will be thirty years from now - you don't need detailed pictures, just allow yourself to become one with the person you are in that seemingly distant future.


Is this fellow still a part of your life there? Do you have children or grandchildren together? Are you safe and comfortable and content with your life?


I realize this all sounds very mystical, but its not. You're reacting now out of emotion, which is creating a false sense of immediacy. Emotion is not your true heart. Your true heart knows, and can tell you if you listen calmly, whether this is really a match for you in the long term. Passion makes for great sex, but it also makes suicide bombers.

Alas, I know too well the conviction of addiction - that its better to suffer with, than to ache without. A flame that burns that brightly burns very hot, but usually not very long.

Still...sometimes the agony, in the long run, is worth the memories.

Best wishes.



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16 Feb 2010, 2:16 pm

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Go to a quiet and comfortable place where you can close your eyes and meditate. Once you feel calm and relatively centered, imagine yourself in the mind of the YOU that will be thirty years from now - you don't need detailed pictures, just allow yourself to become one with the person you are in that seemingly distant future.


Is this fellow still a part of your life there? Do you have children or grandchildren together? Are you safe and comfortable and content with your life?


I realize this all sounds very mystical, but its not. You're reacting now out of emotion, which is creating a false sense of immediacy. Emotion is not your true heart. Your true heart knows, and can tell you if you listen calmly, whether this is really a match for you in the long term. Passion makes for great sex, but it also makes suicide bombers.

Alas, I know too well the conviction of addiction - that its better to suffer with, than to ache without. A flame that burns that brightly burns very hot, but usually not very long.

Still...sometimes the agony, in the long run, is worth the memories.

Best wishes.

Do you really think you can tell what will happen next? Shouldn't we sometimes just live the moment? The girl's only 18...

One thing I learned in my life, is that I can never tell what place I will be heading. My life direction twisted so much, and keeps twisting. So I keep leading my life in my direction, and then changing it dramatically, and I learn from everything I see. I liked languages, I studied linguistics, got to neurolinguistics, got interested in my conditions, and now I want to study neurology. If you would tell me that 3 years ago, that would sound crazy, for me.

If people this age don't know what they will study, how can they know how comfortable they will be with their partner in 30 years? You yourself can change so much...

Now, I have the tendency myself to think about the future, but I'm not sure it's healthy in this age. Even if she doesn't marry him, the girl has enough time to meet another guy... At 18 y/o you shouldn't think about marriage (although I happen to do).



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16 Feb 2010, 2:25 pm

I'd move on personally. Sometimes, your heart can screw with your head.



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16 Feb 2010, 2:54 pm

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Hey guys,

So last thursday me and my boyfriend broke up. it was a mutral break up and we decided that due to the problems we were haveing in our relashionship it was better to break up as we were just hurting each other and tearing each other apart. He would say i didnt put him first in the relashionship, or when i was stressed i would take it out on him. He would take some stuff the wrong way, leading him being horrible or rude to me, and not being mature.

However, since then i really miss him and keep thinking of all the goods times. He wants to meet up and he wants to get back togehter beleiving we can make it work this time. My Parents would be really against it if we did, and wouldnt even be keen on us meeting, to try and sort it out.

I still really love him and he loves me, and I want to be with him , but im scared we wil just hurt each other again, and it will end again, possibly worst than before, and il just end up more hurt. My heart tells me to give it another try and be with him , but my head says otherwise. i dont know what to listen to, my heart longs for him.

Please help

xxxxxxxxxxxx


maybe you need some outside help, like couples therapy. Willingness to 'work through' the stuff and change it could really make a difference, if you both have it. I think sometimes it takes a few breakups and reconciliations before you know for sure what is going on and if it is worth saving. You mentioned your parents and I kind of wonder if this is because there is abuse going on, if they don't even want you to meet him. If there is, the abusive relationshship becomes like a drug (that being adrenaline) and you might just be in withdrawal from that. Only you know. It's different with abusive relationships than just missing someone, there is almost a chemical withdrawal that goes on because of the intensity of emotion that happens when the people are interacting. If not, and you guys keep running into obstacles with your relating to each other, therapy maybe the only thing that changes it, and both parties have to be willing to do the work



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16 Feb 2010, 3:26 pm

There is no abuse going on. no physical abuse anyway. They just can only see the negative, and they dont think hes right for me, and think i can do better. And they dont like the way he has treated me.
Personally i dont think they have the right to control my life and decide what is best for me.
xxxxxxx



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16 Feb 2010, 4:01 pm

Any nearly all situations where you're force to decide between 'heart and head,' the right answer is to follow your head.

Your heart sabotages what your heart desires. It NEEDS moderation. You will be happier in the long run trusting your head.



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16 Feb 2010, 4:21 pm

If your heart and head are out of sync, you will always have trouble and doubt. You need both to be in sync to feel fullfilled in a relationship.


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16 Feb 2010, 4:53 pm

angelgirl1224 wrote:
There is no abuse going on. no physical abuse anyway. They just can only see the negative, and they dont think hes right for me, and think i can do better. And they dont like the way he has treated me.
Personally i dont think they have the right to control my life and decide what is best for me.
xxxxxxx


So, if you disagree with your family, does that mean you still want to get back together with him? If that's what you want, then go for it! It is entirely your choice.

(btw; thanks Omerick for your response. I don't take anything personally! :) )



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16 Feb 2010, 5:26 pm

It doesnt necessory mean i want to get back with him , since im not sure if thts the best most realistic decision. however, i dont think they should have the right to decide for me.
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16 Feb 2010, 5:39 pm

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It doesnt necessory mean i want to get back with him , since im not sure if thts the best most realistic decision. however, i dont think they should have the right to decide for me.
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That's fair enough. What would you say their reasons are for disapproving of your relationship? Do you think they are justified?



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16 Feb 2010, 6:41 pm

Omerik wrote:
Shouldn't we sometimes just live the moment? The girl's only 18...


I believe I said precisely that:

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Still...sometimes the agony, in the long run, is worth the memories.


I was only 19 when I played out this scene (the first time) - why would I tell her to sit it out? Everybody's gotta suffer, might as well enjoy the drama.


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Do you really think you can tell what will happen next?


Yes, actually, I do. And when you've lived more than twice as long as you have already, you, too, will be able to predict with precise accuracy what will happen when others make choices that you've made repeatedly yourself. People are not as different and unique as they like to think they are, and romance has been around plenty long enough for every possible scenario to have been played out a billion times over. I'm not stupid enough to believe that this situation is going to turn out any differently than it did the first thousand times I, or any number of my friends went through it. It's as predictable as Groundhog Day.

Kids roll their eyes at their parents because someone that old couldn't possibly imagine what a young person today could be going through.

Parents roll their eyes at their kids because they recognize exactly what's happening and can't believe their kids are dumb enough to do the same stupid sh*t they did.

It's human nature, part of our internal program.

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16 Feb 2010, 7:18 pm

It sounds to me as though you have an "all or nothing" relationship, which isn't uncommon for Aspies. You're trying too hard.

Try to find a compromise position where you have time together AND time apart built into your relationship. Being with someone 24/7 can be very stressful and lead to burnout. Having some time apart helps you to recover and to retain some perspective. Plus if they go away for a while you'll miss them, and remember all the things you like about them, and be happy when they come back. Much as you are feeling now.


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17 Feb 2010, 12:34 am

Have tried both and has definitely been better for me following my head. Your heart can lie to you, make you believe crazy things, but logic is infallible. Politicians and Lawyers manipulate people's hearts to gain their own ends. Only by looking at things objectively can you see clearly. Bottom line is use your head becuase it works.



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17 Feb 2010, 8:40 am

Firstly you cannot follow either your heart or your head.
Secondly, your heart has very little influence on your emotions.

Your emotions are controlled by your brain.
Also, it is highly unlikely that you will do things noticeably differently from last time, because (as Willard has noted) people only have a few sets of responses and they hardly ever change much, if at all.
I do not think it would be a good idea to start another relationship with him.
But I do not know anything about romantic relationships and as of yet, feel very little desire to have them.



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17 Feb 2010, 6:02 pm

angelgirl1224 wrote:
Hey guys,

So last thursday me and my boyfriend broke up. it was a mutral break up and we decided that due to the problems we were haveing in our relashionship it was better to break up as we were just hurting each other and tearing each other apart. He would say i didnt put him first in the relashionship, or when i was stressed i would take it out on him. He would take some stuff the wrong way, leading him being horrible or rude to me, and not being mature.

However, since then i really miss him and keep thinking of all the goods times. He wants to meet up and he wants to get back togehter beleiving we can make it work this time. My Parents would be really against it if we did, and wouldnt even be keen on us meeting, to try and sort it out.

I still really love him and he loves me, and I want to be with him , but im scared we wil just hurt each other again, and it will end again, possibly worst than before, and il just end up more hurt. My heart tells me to give it another try and be with him , but my head says otherwise. i dont know what to listen to, my heart longs for him.

Please help

xxxxxxxxxxxx


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