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17 Mar 2010, 1:07 pm

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I'm not intending to put the cart before the horse at all... I'm just trying to figure out everything... If my claim to being unlovable is invalid, then there has to be a reason for my constant string of failures...


I know I said this in another thread somewhere, but I think it bears repeating. Before we met, my AS husband's "constant string of failures" lasted for twelve years. And after being together for about 5 years now, we are that couple that bugs everyone around us with how happy we are.

It just takes meeting the right person.



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17 Mar 2010, 1:41 pm

If that's the case, where is this "right person"? I'm now at a point in my life where there is no possible candidate for "right person" in my life at all, and that's driving my psychosis now...



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17 Mar 2010, 1:58 pm

@Toad, you are not psychotic, you're lonely. Look, the kind of personal change you're pursuing doesn't happen overnight - but it does happen. Maybe look into some kind of meditation or affirmations (as @Sound suggested earlier). I personally recommend "You Can Heal Your Life" by Louise Hay. Please stop putting so much energy into disliking your situation, and instead put that energy into making the changes you need to make.


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18 Mar 2010, 7:34 am

I don't think you have an unnaturally low sex drive. Certainly, it's reduced for depression(Been there, still there). But otherwise, I think you're normal, and this is evidenced by the various pressures you feel, including your desire for companionship.

I wouldn't expect it to quite seem this way though, because there's an element that getting in the way. Basically, it's your virginity, and relatively low social & intimate exposure. Your perspective shifts a bit after sex. It varies, person to person, but prior to sex, the topic is quite a bit more ambiguous, amorphous, abstract, esoteric. It rides along with other concepts that are not necessarily the same, because we grow up seeing the concepts attached to each other, bound together by either formal or informal association.

Okay time for another stupid analogy.
Imagine you're partly color blind and you can't perceive Red or something. You can see other colors though, and you've heard plenty about where red is, where to expect it, how it might look, etc. You might be able to go about life without seeing red, but can possibly respond correctly to a red stop light, for instance.
But imagine one day, you suddenly CAN see red. It's probably not exactly how you imagined it, and over time, you start to understand it's context and variability more fully. Over time, it is no longer bound within other concepts like the hexagonal stop sign, or the shape of the apple; One no longer necessitates the other.

Kay, bad, overly-simplified analogy done.

Additionally, to compound matters, guys like me, and some others on this forum, might write about topics involving sex from a very clinical, pragmatic way, totally devoid of any romanticism or thematic or emotional coloring that the rest of the world wants to consider sex from. Naturally, that's gonna be alienating for a guy like you, whose only context for sex is bound within the romantic concepts that our society usually bundles it with. I would drain away pretty much all the romanticism when talking about it, so there would seem to be little commonality between how we view sex. Thus it would seem also that we have very little commonality in which we experience sex, either real or imagined... But that last part's not true.

In other words, we're talking about the same subject in a different language. It makes it seem like you're different, when it's actually guys like me who are seeming to be different by our presentation and objectification of sex, compared to your romanticized view of sex.

Age and experience can also factor in, similarly.

Another dumb analogy:
You said you're in the choir. Say some relatives(with no musical background whatsoever) come in to town and hear some of your work, and afterwords they rave about it and marvel at this and that, and wont stop bugging you about all the silly, basic details that they're enamored with... But you've been doing it for years, and when you think about the singing, you're thinking about different things than they are. Your relatives wouldn't be quite experienced enough to fully appreciate the sub-topics and subtleties you'd want to talk about regarding choir... They're just not exposed enough to be on the wavelength with you, and so they would kinda just smile and nod their head.

Or you hear a joke a million times, so you don't laugh at it anymore... But your friend does, and laughs about that same gag all day. From his perspective, you don't even find it funny. Well, actually, you did... like 5 years ago.

So, no, I don't think you're abnormal, regarding sex drive.

From my perspective .... which, honestly, isn't terribly common... everything is sexuality. I look at the world through sex colored lenses. Sex this, sex that. Nothing is not sex.
But this is not a reflection of my sex drive(and certainly not the common person's sex drive). Just my view of it, and how it subtly saturates life, according to my somewhat odd views.
Other folks may see things a little bit similarly, though usually to a lesser degree, but it's probably enough to make our experience of reality seem utterly alien.



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18 Mar 2010, 8:02 am

Regarding 'the right person'....

IMO, you could break it down into three factors:

1) Social Skill. Because seizing opportunities, and capitalizing on 'good luck' depends on it. If you don't take action to successfully capitalize, then usually nothin happens.
2) Health. Skill can help you, but it does not actively hinder you overly-much via deficit. In contrast, good health does not help you all that much, but a health deficit can hinder you catastrophically.
3) Time. Because random stuff happens according to time, without fail, including so-called 'luck,' and opportunities.

Health can be maintained, ailments and maladies of the mind and body rectified
Skill can be garnered through practice.
And time is time, giving one little control over when favorable stuff or unfavorable stuff come along.
You have control over 2/3 of the process, or more, depending on your perspective.

You could conceive of more little details and categories, but this pretty much covers the big stuff. In the end it's just a pet conceptualization. Works pretty good for me, though. *shrug*



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18 Mar 2010, 10:52 am

How are women not supposed to like you because of that, psychic powers? Most have never met you.

It is not abnormal and it doesn't have to matter.



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18 Mar 2010, 1:13 pm

I also have a very low sex drive.

Honesty is how you mitigate this. You have to be up front with your partner as soon as you realize the relationship either has turned physically intimate or is getting ready to. Set the standard up front that you are not as driven as what society paints as normal. That helps to prevent your partner from thinking you have stopped feeling as strongly about them later. I told my now wife about my low sex drive a few weeks after we started dating and it has been an issue in our marriage that we still work through, but it was known before we got married. That has help her understand this isn't about my attraction. More emotional people need intimacy to feel a connection and typically this is hard for us AS types to grasp. I am not speaking of conquest, but of a real emotional connection.

Causes could be just genetic lack of hyper sex drive after puberty, or depression, or high blood pressure (seriously, if you have a low drive get your blood pressure checked, it can cause this and is easy to fix, that was one of my causes)

I will be interested in seeing future scientific research on this if the cause is genetic that stands away from side affects such as depression. The hardest thing about this is the embarassment and pride involved with admiting that after the initial conquest (for some people) desire wanes really fast. How do you advertise for test subjects and find people objective enough to admit this is an issue?