What ethnicity are you the most attracted to?

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12 May 2010, 8:36 am

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I believe family heritage & tradition is important....so for me it is European/White/Caucasian/Cracker/Paleskin/Honky/Gringo.......especially western European.


People like you are probably why I avoid people like you.



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12 May 2010, 8:59 am

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For me, it's hispanic and caucasian.


hispanics are considered part of the caucasian race.


By some. Culturally, in the USA at least, hispanics are not considered "white". There is no scientific basis for race - "race" is largely a function of our own perceptions, and the predominant perception seems to be that olive-skinned "hispanics" are not the same as nordic "whites". I have a feeling this thread is going to veer off in a whole new direction now.


I had a course in physical anthropology once and this text claimed that there are only four races based upon bone structure: mongoloid, negroid, caucasoid, and australoid. Everyone else is a mixture. Most humans are mixtures.



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12 May 2010, 9:11 am

shukri wrote:
Negolin wrote:
I believe family heritage & tradition is important....so for me it is European/White/Caucasian/Cracker/Paleskin/Honky/Gringo.......especially western European.


People like you are probably why I avoid people like you.


I don't think there actually anything wrong in what Negolin said. Why are people are so afraid to say out loud that they have a preference for a partner who looks like them? Negolin is more the norm than the exception. It seems to me his only mistake is to admit this un-PC truth on a public forum.

Maybe it's that fact that s/he's white? White people are in a pretty stuck position. Whenever they try to assert their identity, they, at the same time, must have to dodge the inevitable knee-jerk accusations of racism, white supremacy and eugenics. As non-white person, I have noticed this on many occasions.

As a thought experiment what if Negolin said instead, I believe family heritage & tradition is important....so for me it is African/Black.



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12 May 2010, 9:14 am

Llixgrjb wrote:
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Negolin wrote:
I believe family heritage & tradition is important....so for me it is European/White/Caucasian/Cracker/Paleskin/Honky/Gringo.......especially western European.


People like you are probably why I avoid people like you.


I don't think there actually anything wrong in what Negolin said. Why are people are so afraid to say out loud that they have a preference for a partner who looks like them? Negolin is more the norm than the exception. It seems to me his only mistake is to admit this un-PC truth on a public forum.

Maybe it's that fact that s/he's white? White people are in a pretty stuck position. Whenever they try to assert their identity, they, at the same time, must have to dodge the inevitable knee-jerk accusations of racism, white supremacy and eugenics. As a non-white person, I have noticed this on many occasions.

As a thought experiment what if Negolin said instead, I believe family heritage & tradition is important....so for me it is African/Black.


Yes, he's allowed to say what he did, and I'm allowed to not like it. What's the problem with that? There was no name calling involved.

And I think there's a pretty big difference between liking someone for their looks vs their heritage. It's doubly funny when people get that wrong, then get upset when people snicker at them for getting it wrong. If a white person says he/she prefers whites, there's nothing wrong with that. Tradition/family is not "white". If I were to say that I was into Asian women because I find them submissive, then I'm being a chauvinist pig.



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12 May 2010, 9:28 am

shukri wrote:

Yes, he's allowed to say what he did, and I'm allowed to not like it. What's the problem with that? There was no name calling involved.

And I think there's a pretty big difference between liking someone for their looks vs their heritage. And it's funny when people get that wrong, then get upset when people snicker at them for getting it wrong.


I would honestly like to know why you don't like that statement? You're certainly free to dislike it but I just want to know the thinking behind it. That is what prompted my original post about the matter.

Looks (a considerable portion of it determined by one's culture and "race") and heritage are overlapping circles on a Venn diagram. Realistically it's hard to neatly separate one from the other despite how easy it may be for you to do conceptually and rhetorically.



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12 May 2010, 10:07 am

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Looks, a considerable portion of it determined by one's culture and "race," and heritage are overlapping circles on a Venn diagram. Realistically it's hard to neatly separate one from the other despite how easy it may be for you to do conceptually and rhetorically.


If you say you have a racial preference for reasons that have nothing do with physical features, then that's wrong because you're making a value judgment. You cannot read a person's culture, family or heritage from the features that we commonly (and erroneously might I add) associate with race, such as skin color, eye shape, hair type etc. Finding a person of one race more attractive shouldn't mean you find that race to be _better_. That's where the clear distinction lies for me.



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12 May 2010, 10:29 am

Well purely based on looks...

Men - Western European,
Australians (I know. Also "white" but in most Australians that come to mind there is a subtle difference.
Native American (Well the ones I'm thinking of are mostly half native, but it's a pretty mix :P) And also does one distinguish between Native American and Native Canadian??)

Women - Western European
Indian
Also Zoe Saldana gets an honorable mention :P



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12 May 2010, 10:31 am

I used to have a SEVERE asian fetish when i was 20 something, it all went away at 23 when i got my first (and unfortunately) only "taste of asia".

Nowdays i do not care. True, i do look extra when i see an Asian girl, since they look "goth by nature", but i am open to pretty much everything... even Blood Elves, Vulcans or Na'Vi :D


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12 May 2010, 10:41 am

shukri wrote:
Finding a person of one race more attractive shouldn't mean you find that race to be _better_. That's where the clear distinction lies for me.


Until Negolin elaborates on his/her original statement, I personally can't say for sure whether he likes a particular kind of partner because of their "racial" superiority or just simply for their looks. He could have, as you brought up earlier, fallen into that looks-and-heritage-are-one-and-the-same trap.

It was a brief albeit loaded statement that reveals more about the people responding to it than the person who posted it. This was very interesting. Thanks for your insight.



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12 May 2010, 10:55 am

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I believe family heritage & tradition is important... European/White/Caucasian/Cracker/Paleskin/Honky/Gringo


I instinctively dislike the statement a little bit as well. I wouldn't have even bothered with posting that but I wanted to weigh in on Llix's question. I like thinking about the thoughts and motivations of others and can appreciate your request. DISCLAIMER: This is not any kind of conclusion, but a description of my thought process. My thinking behind it goes like this:

The terms are redundant, but not in a good way. The first three are neutral. The last four are inflammatory. One could argue that the poster was simply trying to innocently exhaust all possible iterations of "White", but this is unlikely as the terms are grouped, the poster exhibits high intelligence, and there are other non-inflammatory terms for White. Further, by using racist terminology towards whites, the poster shows two things: they are smart enough to attack the (for now) dominant racial group (which is more "allowed" for some reason - imagine if this had started with "African/Black/etc" and becoming more derogatory) AND there is potential that they are willing to use this intelligence in an attempt to hurt people's feelings.

There is an additional cleverly constructed irony involved with the first part of the sentence (I believe family heritage is important...) and the terms derogatory to (purportedly) Negolin's own preferred family/race. This could be coincidental or a sign of even higher intelligence.

Of course, none of this can be taken as conclusive proof. This could just as easily have been a failed joke by a highly intelligent poster. Ultimate intent cannot be discerned without an examination of past posts and Negolin's future responses, but it smells slightly bad. If Negolin is a serious user, they will learn how their posts impact others and they will improve their post quality. If Negolin is of the Dark Side, then the typical pattern would be that they will try to skirt the rules using their intelligence, the mods will warn them a few times, then we will see them no more.


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12 May 2010, 11:07 am

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As Steve Colbert says "I do not see color. All races look the same to me." or something like that :lol: But seriously race & looks are not important to me. What I do care about is the person's personality like the way they act & I do notice how diffrent ethnic groups tend to act different but I look at each person on a case by case bases


So true!!


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12 May 2010, 11:07 am

shukri wrote:
There is no scientific basis for race - "race" is largely a function of our own perceptions


I think those who analyze DNA, skeletal structure and skull architecture might disagree with that. While fomenting hatred based on imaginary superiorities is counterproductive, so is living in politically correct denial of obvious reality. How boring if we were all the same.


Personally, I blame Frank Frazetta's artwork for my fetish for the 'Peruvian Jungle Princess' look :P Oy! < 8O

But who can choose? I'll have one of those, and two of these and ooh! ooh! that one over there! Four of those! :D



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12 May 2010, 11:32 am

Caucasian. I'm not racist, but I'm not too comfortable with dating someone of another race.



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12 May 2010, 12:08 pm

Hispanic women most often have the physical traits that I find attractive in a woman.



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12 May 2010, 4:30 pm

The majority of the people I'm attracted to are Caucasian, but there is no race I necessarily find unattractive.



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12 May 2010, 8:07 pm

ViperaAspis wrote:
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I believe family heritage & tradition is important... European/White/Caucasian/Cracker/Paleskin/Honky/Gringo


I instinctively dislike the statement a little bit as well. I wouldn't have even bothered with posting that but I wanted to weigh in on Llix's question. I like thinking about the thoughts and motivations of others and can appreciate your request. DISCLAIMER: This is not any kind of conclusion, but a description of my thought process. My thinking behind it goes like this:

The terms are redundant, but not in a good way. The first three are neutral. The last four are inflammatory. One could argue that the poster was simply trying to innocently exhaust all possible iterations of "White", but this is unlikely as the terms are grouped, the poster exhibits high intelligence, and there are other non-inflammatory terms for White. Further, by using racist terminology towards whites, the poster shows two things: they are smart enough to attack the (for now) dominant racial group (which is more "allowed" for some reason - imagine if this had started with "African/Black/etc" and becoming more derogatory) AND there is potential that they are willing to use this intelligence in an attempt to hurt people's feelings.

There is an additional cleverly constructed irony involved with the first part of the sentence (I believe family heritage is important...) and the terms derogatory to (purportedly) Negolin's own preferred family/race. This could be coincidental or a sign of even higher intelligence.

Of course, none of this can be taken as conclusive proof. This could just as easily have been a failed joke by a highly intelligent poster. Ultimate intent cannot be discerned without an examination of past posts and Negolin's future responses, but it smells slightly bad. If Negolin is a serious user, they will learn how their posts impact others and they will improve their post quality. If Negolin is of the Dark Side, then the typical pattern would be that they will try to skirt the rules using their intelligence, the mods will warn them a few times, then we will see them no more.


If s/he had said European and left it at that, it wouldn't sound so bad. Because his terms got more and more racist (cracker/honkey) it took on racist undertones.