How to respond to "you're a nice guy?"

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15 Apr 2006, 11:05 pm

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And yet, it is true. You're new here so I'll link you the article I am referring to. http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... 553#203553


All that proves is that SOME women are f-ing idiots, but so are some men, and that is obvious. Just because SOME women (or men) are idiots, it is totally unfair and practically "racist" to assume they all or mostly are. I maintain that currently you are not truly the nice guy you claim to be. You are very bitter about women and the women pick up on this and avoid you as a result, which is an understandable thing for them to do.

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And, the dreaded statistics to back up my points - http://www.wrongplanet.net/asperger.htm ... 907#202907


These statistics bear no relevance to your claim that women prefer as*holes. For example, regarding the alleged statistic that women married to heavy drinkers are 5 times more likely to be assaulted, you seem to be interpreting that statement as if it said: "Women are 5 times more likely to marry heavy drinkers who assault them"
But that is NOT what it said at all. Rather the statistic is only relevant to an argument that alcohol increases the assault rate, which is true but unrelated to your assertion about women prefering as*holes.

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Why? According to relationship guru David DeAngelo (www.doubleyourdating.com),


doubleyourdating.com is a SCAM specifically engineered to separate people like yourself from their money. Do not trust anything he says, he is just trying to rip you off. Oh SOME of what he says is true because the most convincing scams mix truth with lies, but for the most part, it is rubbish and a scam and highly untrustworthy.

And do not be angry at me for alerting you to this scam. If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at the con-artist: David DeAngelo, which is not even his real name.

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You can call it an awful thing to say about women all you want. But it's true.


It is not true at all. You yourself are living proof that women usually do NOT prefer as*holes because you are being nasty towards women (with your awful misogynistic claims) and they are avoiding you as a result.

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The perfect guy that girls look for is confident but respectful. And those guys are hard to find.


It is true that being confident and respectful will make you more attractive. But being insulting and a jerk does not equal confidence. Hard to find confident but respectful guys? No-where near as difficult as you think. If it truly was as difficult as you think, then you would be finding it much easier to get dates.

Stop being such a jerk, and actually become the nice guy that you claim you are, and then be confident and respectful, and you will have more success.



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15 Apr 2006, 11:18 pm

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All that proves is that SOME women are f-ing idiots, but so are some men, and that is obvious. Just because SOME women (or men) are idiots, it is totally unfair and practically "racist" to assume they all or mostly are. I maintain that currently you are not truly the nice guy you claim to be. You are very bitter about women and the women pick up on this and avoid you as a result, which is an understandable thing for them to do.


Well you don't know me personally, so that isn't a far comment to make either.

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These statistics bear no relevance to your claim that women prefer as*holes. For example, regarding the alleged statistic that women married to heavy drinkers are 5 times more likely to be assaulted, you seem to be interpreting that statement as if it said: "Women are 5 times more likely to marry heavy drinkers who assault them"
But that is NOT what it said at all. Rather the statistic is only relevant to an argument that alcohol increases the assault rate, which is true but unrelated to your assertion about women prefering as*holes.


No, that is not what I meant by that statistic. What it means is that the woman chooses that she will marry the heavy drinker, and she is five times more likely to be assaulted. That is a pretty simple conclusion.

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doubleyourdating.com is a SCAM specifically engineered to separate people like yourself from their money. Do not trust anything he says, he is just trying to rip you off. Oh SOME of what he says is true because the most convincing scams mix truth with lies, but for the most part, it is rubbish and a scam and highly untrustworthy.

And do not be angry at me for alerting you to this scam. If you want to be angry at anyone, be angry at the con-artist: David DeAngelo, which is not even his real name.


You're probably right. But let's see some further proof.

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It is not true at all. You yourself are living proof that women usually do NOT prefer as*holes because you are being nasty towards women (with your awful misogynistic claims) and they are avoiding you as a result.


I am not being nasty towards women. I am posting facts and my interpretation thereof (to which I don't care if anyone agrees or not) anonymously on a website. Big difference. I did mention that I voiced this stuff once, but it was in a university classroom where we were discussing feminism. That's it. And several women agreed with me.

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But being insulting and a jerk does not equal confidence. Hard to find confident but respectful guys? No-where near as difficult as you think.


There is still a strong correlation between confidence and "jerkness". It takes confidence to be a jerk.



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16 Apr 2006, 12:56 am

ELLCIM wrote:
Well you don't know me personally, so that isn't a far comment to make either.


True, but that is the impression I receive of you so far based on your messages.

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No, that is not what I meant by that statistic. What it means is that the woman chooses that she will marry the heavy drinker, and she is five times more likely to be assaulted. That is a pretty simple conclusion.


...and unrelated to the question of whether women prefer jerks.

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You're probably right. But let's see some further proof.


The name itself is the first clue: doubleyourdating.com, what a ridiculous unprofessional name. Then on the first page of the site it wants to get your email address -- to spam you. Then it keeps mentioning "FREE", be suspicious of any site that keeps saying "FREE". It also uses the word "secret", that is another suspicious word to suck you in (not suspicious by itself, but in combination with the rest). "exclusive", it says, BS, anyone can read the website. Then if you click proceed into the site a few pages, it starts using excessive headlines, italics, bold, again this is a suspicious style to someone who is experienced in detecting scams.

On 1 page he says, "I guarantee it", then "You'll Also Get Three Additional Bonuses" and "This is truly a 100% risk- free offer" -- this sort of language is very typical of scams. Then it has fake testimonials, this site has practically every known indicator of a scam site. And finally he tries to convince you to separate with your hard-earned money. I could go on.

He is a con-artist, plan and simple. An internet predator. Remember it is not 100% BS, rather it is 80% BS, which makes it a more effective scam. I assure you that if you try to follow his advice, your success with dating will be substantially reduced, contrary to his claims. doubleyourdating.com is a sure fire way to make yourself seem manipulative and creepy in the eyes of women because you are following the advice of a con-man who is exactly that. I do not have the time to absolutely PROVE it to you beyond all doubt, but I think that if you continue to research it with a critical eye, more and more you will come to see how it is a scam for the most part.

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I am not being nasty towards women. I am posting facts and my interpretation thereof (to which I don't care if anyone agrees or not) anonymously on a website. Big difference.


As I was trying to explain earlier, even if you do not verbalize these thoughts to girls, they will still manage to pick up on them and get a vague feeling that something is wrong about you, and reject you as a result.

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There is still a strong correlation between confidence and "jerkness". It takes confidence to be a jerk.


You should aim to be confident without being a jerk, which is very much possible.

I really think that if you spent an hour with an open mind reading all the HBI info about nice guys (following), you would end up appreciating the info and getting a better understanding of what the deal is with girls and nice guys:

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/ ... s/ng.shtml

Here is a quote:

"REAL Nice Guys Don't Finish Last
For all the 'nice guy' losers out there, here are some things that you need to get through your thick skull before you complain about women who abuse you because of your 'nice guy' image. Read on, study and learn, before you die a virgin:"
-- http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/ ... guys.shtml



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16 Apr 2006, 10:34 am

Right, before this article degenerates into a flame war, any way to remove the negative nice guy label would help.



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16 Apr 2006, 11:03 am

hmmm emp .... u r referring to a site called "heartless b*****s" to prove that women don't prefer jerks???? hello??! it s called "heartless b*****s " and heartless b*****s won't love nice guys.



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16 Apr 2006, 11:14 am

MagicMike wrote:
This is ironic despite every girl's wish for a nice guy...a fellow gamer suggested that it was "girls do in fact want a nice guy, but who is capable of having a naughty side." So the new question is what does one do when she says you're a nice guy, for pinning her to the floor and asking "who's the nice guy now," probably would freak her out more than anything.



You could smile, say thank you. And then wait for her next message to you. If she's testing the waters, don't make the waves too big, just them. :wink:



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16 Apr 2006, 2:56 pm

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hmmm emp .... u r referring to a site called "heartless b*****s" to prove that women don't prefer jerks???? hello??! it s called "heartless b*****s " and heartless b*****s won't love nice guys.


The title of the site is interesting. I believe it is not meant to be interpreted literally. Yes they do call themselves heartless b*****s, but in reality they are actually heartful b*****s, if I may invent that word as an antonym.

The "heartless b*****s" title is meant to refer to their use of extremely brutal honesty (something that we aspies should be comfortable with) and complete lack of politeness in discussing their topics. It does not mean that they really are heartless b*****s. They are just "bitchy" because of their brutal honesty, sharp cutting remarks, lack of politeness, and willingness to be insulting in order to communicate their legitimate point.

One report describes it as follows:

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"HBI has become a popular swift kick to the heads of whiners, complainers and victims everywhere, designed to wake them the f**k up and teach them to regain control of their 'unfortunate' situations."
-- http://ottawaxpress.ca/news/shotgun.asp ... ticle=6310


See, although they are insulting and bitchy, ultimately they are doing it for the good of the people they are insulting. So they are not really heartless -- just brutal. Note that they also complain about women who have problems, not only men. It is NOT an anti-male site. The site is all about trying to help people without being bogged down by an artificial need to be polite.

The HBI women DO like truly nice guys, but NOT if they are so-called nice guys who are in reality "whiners, complainers and victims", and they offer advice (in a brutal manner) to assist such victims.

See, there is the type of nice guy who truly is a nice guy. He does well in dating and relationships. Then there is the OTHER type of nice guy who has convinced himself that he is a nice guy but in reality has some serious issues he needs to fix in himself -- this type of nice guy thinks he is nice but is really not very nice at all when you look behind his facade.