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01 Jun 2010, 7:11 pm

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I think the age stereotype that the guy can never be younger than the women is appalling.


It actually isn't that bigger deal if an older lady dates a younger dude. The point I was trying to make is there is a certain type of older women who targets young men and they're insane.

They usually
a) have been married before,
b) have multiple children
c) Browse internet community forums regulary
d) Use these online commuinities to pick up young guys, usually aged 17- about 30 max.

This woman seems that type exactly. Please correct me if i'm wrong (met her on a dating site or IRL).

I think you give people the benefit of the doubt too much moe. I know her type, and i've dealt with her type, over and over again. I've been on community forums for over 10 years.



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01 Jun 2010, 8:16 pm

I'm not sure about A (maybe take on the advice of other members on that one). As far as B goes, it does really seem like she's stringing you along a bit, plus something you said about her saying it "might" happen and if you really love her you'd have to wait and find out rang alarm bells in my head; sounds a lot like emotional blackmail to me.

When all's said and done, I wouldn't give up B as a lost cause by any account, but I wouldn't "wait" until that "someday" either. I would be open to the possibility of a relationship with B if she does come around, but in the meanwhile if you happened to meet somebody else you like then go with them. Keep yourself on the market.


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02 Jun 2010, 1:04 am

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nick007 wrote:
I think the age stereotype that the guy can never be younger than the women is appalling.


It actually isn't that bigger deal if an older lady dates a younger dude. The point I was trying to make is there is a certain type of older women who targets young men and they're insane.

They usually
a) have been married before,
b) have multiple children
c) Browse internet community forums regulary
d) Use these online commuinities to pick up young guys, usually aged 17- about 30 max.

This woman seems that type exactly. Please correct me if i'm wrong (met her on a dating site or IRL).

I think you give people the benefit of the doubt too much moe. I know her type, and i've dealt with her type, over and over again. I've been on community forums for over 10 years.


I know lots of older guys who wer married before, have multiple children each with different women, browse internet communities trying to pick up young girls; & that is perfectly accepted in today's society & even encouraged. I fail to understand why it's so taboo for a women to to do it when it's perfectly acceptable for a guy :? It seems kinda like sexist age discrimination to me


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02 Jun 2010, 1:47 am

A had been trying to get a hold of me for the last few days, so today I decided to just talk to her again - and pretend as if the offer never actually happened. Basically, went to A and saying how much I wanted to be with B and etc... So now she's gone back to admitting she wants her ex boyfriend back again. Hopefully she got the message I wanted to be with someone else and not her.

Since someone asked: did I meet her on some online message board? Yep. Both A and B come from the same place.

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Now as for B, I really don't know what to do. I think I might be getting suckered.

Before this, I had suggested I wanted to come out and see her someday. She just smiled back. She often goes days at a time without responding to my messages or texts. But yet she'll go to my Facebook page and like some status update I made. She told me she had a stressful weekend with family in another state, but hasn't really told me any details.

I know she's been dating other guys (in her hometown) off and on since I've first started talking to her last year, but she tells me she's not really thrilled by any of them. I would like to take her word for it, considering... well, here's a few notables quotes from her end:

You absolutely mean something to me... It's just I see you as this amazing guy, and so much like me, that I want to be able to have my head on straight before I venture those waters, otherwise I'll just end up pulling you down with me, and I don't think that's anything I could live with myself for doing... But you definitely mean something to me... As many times as you've been there to talk to me, and talk me down... I'd not be human if you didn't mean anything to me... And I'm definitely human :-)

Or: And truth be told, I've never felt as in tune with anyone in my entire life as I had felt with you... But, like all tales, in the story that is my life, I think the timing is off... Or maybe it's not, and it's just me being scared, I don't know... And the things you want for me, like for me to be happy, I want the same things for you, I just am afraid that I would only f**k things up... And to tell you that I don't feel the same way would be an out and out lie... I do feel the same way, but at the same time that's the downfall... Or at least how I see it... Everyone I've ever cared for has left in one way or another... And maybe it's just me being selfish, but I kinda want to hold onto you... That's why I'm so afraid of feeling something for someone else, because in the end, they always end up gone...

So as long as she says stuff like this, keeping hinting at this... I think I still have hope.

Or do I?



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02 Jun 2010, 2:04 am

I'm not tying to be rude here OP but I think B is playing the typical mind-games some women play. It sounds like she likes having you around as a friend for emotional support but she does not want you in a romantic way. I've heard lots of complaints like this from other guys. You could try telling her you have a date with someone else & see how she reacts; she mite get jealous


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02 Jun 2010, 5:02 am

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A had been trying to get a hold of me for the last few days, so today I decided to just talk to her again - and pretend as if the offer never actually happened. Basically, went to A and saying how much I wanted to be with B and etc... So now she's gone back to admitting she wants her ex boyfriend back again. Hopefully she got the message I wanted to be with someone else and not her.

Since someone asked: did I meet her on some online message board? Yep. Both A and B come from the same place.

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Now as for B, I really don't know what to do. I think I might be getting suckered.

Before this, I had suggested I wanted to come out and see her someday. She just smiled back. She often goes days at a time without responding to my messages or texts. But yet she'll go to my Facebook page and like some status update I made. She told me she had a stressful weekend with family in another state, but hasn't really told me any details.

I know she's been dating other guys (in her hometown) off and on since I've first started talking to her last year, but she tells me she's not really thrilled by any of them. I would like to take her word for it, considering... well, here's a few notables quotes from her end:

You absolutely mean something to me... It's just I see you as this amazing guy, and so much like me, that I want to be able to have my head on straight before I venture those waters, otherwise I'll just end up pulling you down with me, and I don't think that's anything I could live with myself for doing... But you definitely mean something to me... As many times as you've been there to talk to me, and talk me down... I'd not be human if you didn't mean anything to me... And I'm definitely human :-)

Or: And truth be told, I've never felt as in tune with anyone in my entire life as I had felt with you... But, like all tales, in the story that is my life, I think the timing is off... Or maybe it's not, and it's just me being scared, I don't know... And the things you want for me, like for me to be happy, I want the same things for you, I just am afraid that I would only f**k things up... And to tell you that I don't feel the same way would be an out and out lie... I do feel the same way, but at the same time that's the downfall... Or at least how I see it... Everyone I've ever cared for has left in one way or another... And maybe it's just me being selfish, but I kinda want to hold onto you... That's why I'm so afraid of feeling something for someone else, because in the end, they always end up gone...

So as long as she says stuff like this, keeping hinting at this... I think I still have hope.

Or do I?


She's just using you for her own validation. Ditch her.



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02 Jun 2010, 9:44 am

Quartz11 wrote:
So as long as she says stuff like this, keeping hinting at this... I think I still have hope.

Or do I?


OP, look....if all you want is hope, then you can keep corresponding with B in the same way you've been doing. (And I'm not putting you down for wanting hope - I've been there - I understand the dynamics of the situation.) But if you want an actual, real-life relationship with B, then you're going to have to take the risk and tell her you want more - not "some day" - but now. And you're going to have to make up your mind to live with her answer. There's an old saying about relationships: "You get what you settle for." So....you can keep investing emotionally in your relationship with B - without asking her to make a decision - and settle for hope. Or you can draw a line, and see if the relationship can grow from hope to reality. (And if there is no IRL potential, you can start looking for a young lady who is interested in a romantic relationship with you.) There's nothing wrong with hope - unless that's all you ever have.


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02 Jun 2010, 9:52 am

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I know lots of older guys who wer married before, have multiple children each with different women, browse internet communities trying to pick up young girls; & that is perfectly accepted in today's society & even encouraged. I fail to understand why it's so taboo for a women to to do it when it's perfectly acceptable for a guy :? It seems kinda like sexist age discrimination to me


@nick007, I don't understand your logic here. Because you know "lots" of people who engage in deviant behavior, that makes the behavior "perfectly accepted" and "even encouraged?" No, it doesn't. It's not "perfectly acceptable" for older men to prey on younger women, father children with them, and start the cycle over again. In fact, it's morally reprehensible. These men are not role models, they're dogs. They're irresponsible a$$holes who take advantage of immature, inexperienced young women - and do damage. That's not okay. Really, how would you feel if one of the young women in the scenario you described was your sister - or your daughter? Would you still be defending the behavior of these so-called men?


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02 Jun 2010, 10:16 am

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nick007 wrote:
I know lots of older guys who wer married before, have multiple children each with different women, browse internet communities trying to pick up young girls; & that is perfectly accepted in today's society & even encouraged. I fail to understand why it's so taboo for a women to to do it when it's perfectly acceptable for a guy :? It seems kinda like sexist age discrimination to me


@nick007, I don't understand your logic here. Because you know "lots" of people who engage in deviant behavior, that makes the behavior "perfectly accepted" and "even encouraged?" No, it doesn't. It's not "perfectly acceptable" for older men to prey on younger women, father children with them, and start the cycle over again. In fact, it's morally reprehensible. These men are not role models, they're dogs. They're irresponsible a$$holes who take advantage of immature, inexperienced young women - and do damage. That's not okay. Really, how would you feel if one of the young women in the scenario you described was your sister - or your daughter? Would you still be defending the behavior of these so-called men?


Some of those guys really do love those women thou. I known some guys like that & some wer good people who really took care of the women. Yes some of em wer total A-holes but NOT all. What I really think is wrong is when guys in their 30 s are dating high-school girls & society does not have a problem with it even thou the guys are obviously using the women but when an older women likes a younger guy society automatically assumes she is using him even thou she may not be. I don't get this double standard :?


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02 Jun 2010, 10:31 am

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Some of those guys really do love those women thou. I known some guys like that & some wer good people who really took care of the women. Yes some of em wer total A-holes but NOT all. What I really think is wrong is when guys in their 30 s are dating high-school girls & society does not have a problem with it but when an older women likes a younger guy society assumes she is using him. I don't get this double standard


But that's what I don't understand @nick007 - why do you think society doesn't have a problem with men in their 30s dating teen-aged girls? (I knew a 35 year old guy who married a 19 year old girl and guess what? Train wreck. Cause 35 year old men and 19 year old girls are not well matched.)

You're making a pejorative statement about what society is willing to tolerate, and I don't understand the basis for that statement. The people in my orbit definitely take issue with that type of behavior - and I'm not conservative. So when you're talking about a substantial age difference, particularly when one partner is very young and/or very inexperienced, the relationship is usually not going to end well, and the resulting damage - that can last a lifetime - may be done to the younger and/or very inexperienced partner. The sex of the older partner doesn't matter.


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02 Jun 2010, 10:35 am

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nick007 wrote:
Some of those guys really do love those women thou. I known some guys like that & some wer good people who really took care of the women. Yes some of em wer total A-holes but NOT all. What I really think is wrong is when guys in their 30 s are dating high-school girls & society does not have a problem with it but when an older women likes a younger guy society assumes she is using him. I don't get this double standard


But that's what I don't understand @nick007 - why do you think society doesn't have a problem with men in their 30s dating teen-aged girls? (I knew a 35 year old guy who married a 19 year old girl and guess what? Train wreck. Cause 35 year old men and 19 year old girls are not well matched.)

You're making a pejorative statement about what society is willing to tolerate, and I don't understand the basis for that statement. The people in my orbit definitely take issue with that type of behavior - and I'm not conservative. So when you're talking about a substantial age difference, particularly when one partner is very young and/or very inexperienced, the relationship is usually not going to end well, and the resulting damage - that can last a lifetime - may be done to the younger and/or very inexperienced partner. The sex of the older partner doesn't matter.


It's quite common here for older guys to date younger women. Lots of guys marry women that are quite younger than em but I never hear of an older women being with a younger guy unless people are upset about it. That is the basis for my argument.


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02 Jun 2010, 11:41 am

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No offense but A sounds like a desperate old cougar. All those kids? For gods sake DON'T go there. You'll never get rid of her once you realise it's a stupid idea. I know of nutty old birds who have kids and hone in on dating kids and use the internet a lot, they are NUTS. The worst kind of nuts too, find someone your own age you silly woman.


Agreed -- she, like many other single women with a kid (or worse yet, multiple kids) is looking for someone to help pay for and raise the kids. If you had a relationship, I wouldn't be surprised if she "accidentally" got pregnant to keep you on the leash. DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP!



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02 Jun 2010, 8:11 pm

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hale_bopp wrote:
No offense but A sounds like a desperate old cougar. All those kids? For gods sake DON'T go there. You'll never get rid of her once you realise it's a stupid idea. I know of nutty old birds who have kids and hone in on dating kids and use the internet a lot, they are NUTS. The worst kind of nuts too, find someone your own age you silly woman.


Agreed -- she, like many other single women with a kid (or worse yet, multiple kids) is looking for someone to help pay for and raise the kids. If you had a relationship, I wouldn't be surprised if she "accidentally" got pregnant to keep you on the leash. DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP!


Single moms...yuck.

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02 Jun 2010, 11:11 pm

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hale_bopp wrote:
No offense but A sounds like a desperate old cougar. All those kids? For gods sake DON'T go there. You'll never get rid of her once you realise it's a stupid idea. I know of nutty old birds who have kids and hone in on dating kids and use the internet a lot, they are NUTS. The worst kind of nuts too, find someone your own age you silly woman.


Agreed -- she, like many other single women with a kid (or worse yet, multiple kids) is looking for someone to help pay for and raise the kids. If you had a relationship, I wouldn't be surprised if she "accidentally" got pregnant to keep you on the leash. DON'T FALL FOR THIS TRAP!


Strange, she knows I don't have much money and can be prone to going lengthy time periods without full time employment (such as now).

But, I don't consider A to be an issue now. It seemed way too weird to actually happen, so I'm not going to let it.

I'm going to send B a message meanwhile, saying in a nutshell - I want some definition on what our status is, whether it be a relationship or just friends.



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03 Jun 2010, 11:03 am

Well, I got an answer on B. She says she would have a relationship with me, but doesn't want a long distance relationship.

I'm not willing to just up and go to her, just to see if something could work. I could make a visit sometime in a few months, once I get a full time job again and save up.



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04 Jun 2010, 6:55 pm

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Well, I got an answer on B. She says she would have a relationship with me, but doesn't want a long distance relationship.

I'm not willing to just up and go to her, just to see if something could work. I could make a visit sometime in a few months, once I get a full time job again and save up.


She's not worth saving up for. Saving up for her is no different than blowing it at the casino.