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18 Jun 2010, 1:22 am

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OP, I don't see the "moral crime" here, so no reason for any type of "punishment" to be meted out to this young man. You seem to be forgetting that this guy has social phobia - which I'm assuming means that he's socially awkward and hasn't had a lot of interaction with women. So....it seems incredibly likely that he's relying on information he might have gleaned from movies, television, the internet, or other types of media about how a young man who's interested in a young lady might behave to show his interest, e.g., pay her a compliment; express affection; work a few "sexy" comments into the conversation.

That's called "courting" - and as part of the courting process, you're free to reject his advances - which is what you did. You've stated that even if he'd succeeded in convincing you to make a gift of your virginity to him, it would have meant nothing to you because you don't value your virginity. So why are you so angry with him? Why do you want to punish him? Why do you believe he's "bullied" you? I'm sorry....I can tell that you're angry, but this young man doesn't deserve your anger. So you might want to examine your feelings more closely, to determine why you're focusing your anger on this guy.

I can't believe this has to be said to a person with AS. Creature, I realize that you're 18, and a girl, but I would expect a person with AS to be more aware of the societal inhibitions that people with mental handicaps face. :roll:



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18 Jun 2010, 5:06 am

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OP, I don't see the "moral crime" here, so no reason for any type of "punishment" to be meted out to this young man. You seem to be forgetting that this guy has social phobia - which I'm assuming means that he's socially awkward and hasn't had a lot of interaction with women. So....it seems incredibly likely that he's relying on information he might have gleaned from movies, television, the internet, or other types of media about how a young man who's interested in a young lady might behave to show his interest, e.g., pay her a compliment; express affection; work a few "sexy" comments into the conversation.

That's called "courting" - and as part of the courting process, you're free to reject his advances - which is what you did. You've stated that even if he'd succeeded in convincing you to make a gift of your virginity to him, it would have meant nothing to you because you don't value your virginity. So why are you so angry with him? Why do you want to punish him? Why do you believe he's "bullied" you? I'm sorry....I can tell that you're angry, but this young man doesn't deserve your anger. So you might want to examine your feelings more closely, to determine why you're focusing your anger on this guy.

I can't believe this has to be said to a person with AS. Creature, I realize that you're 18, and a girl, but I would expect a person with AS to be more aware of the societal inhibitions that people with mental handicaps face. :roll:


He doesn't have mental handicaps, he's NT but has social phobia. It means he's afraid of meeting new people, for instance.


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18 Jun 2010, 5:16 am

What do you want justice for though? He hasn't assulted you or stalked your or anything has he? All he did as far as I can tell is lie to try and get laid, lie which everyone in the world does, and lie to get laid like half the young men these days do.

That isn't an offense or anything, he's just a guy who tried to get laid by lying and got rejecteted. Chances are anyone you're trying to save from him will get taken advantage of by someone else sadly, if it wasn't him.

get your revenge on his annoying lies by rejecting him. Problem solved. I do not see how this guy is a predator. Just selfish and horny.

Forget about him.



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18 Jun 2010, 11:05 am

Have you told *him* what you think? The only evidence you have that he did anything even a little bit wrong is your perception that he lied to you. He could have meant every word, but just been so terrible at social interactions that it came off differently.

I know I often come across differently than how I actually am, so I can see this guy coming across as a liar even if he isn't. If he actually meant the things he said, and you don't tell him, but complain to the message board, then he'll think of you as "the mean girl who stabbed me in the back without warning". And if you do that, he'll be right.

Even if he really did exactly what you think he did, how do you know he is aware of it? If you tell him off for it, and he never realized what he was doing, he might feel bad about it and decide not to do that anymore.


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18 Jun 2010, 11:49 am

Principle? One in a million? Worth-
Well you could pick up an itchy disease and then spread it to him.
Balancing the scales yourself is an expensive effort so presuming that you see this as an appropriately unreasonable mode of revenge here is something much more in line with your thoughts: just confront him about it. "I see what's going on. These compliments feel really fake and you've lost my trust."

Maybe he'll say something redeeming or otherwise give you an opportunity to instruct him on being more genuine in his behavior. Don't worry too much about giving advice he'll be capable of just doing, most social advice anyone gives anyone is missing huge chunks of what would actually make it work so if you're still looking to punish him you can be content that he's going to go through rejection quite a bit before he figures out what he's doing, if ever, and should he get to there you can also say you've successfuly changed him.

At the very least being an oldish virgin you shouldn't have much trouble convincing him that what he was doing will never work so you can be especially critical about the manipulative things you thought he did a more convincing job of to really throw a wrench in his works.



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18 Jun 2010, 12:23 pm

Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.


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18 Jun 2010, 12:37 pm

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Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.
Hmmm, should check out darthmetalknight's "Messianc complex" topic in General Autism Discussion perhaps, i think it would apply to you.


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18 Jun 2010, 12:38 pm

Creature wrote:
Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.
Hmmm, should check out darthmetalknight's "Messianc complex" topic in General Autism Discussion perhaps, i think it would apply to you.


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18 Jun 2010, 12:41 pm

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Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.
Hmmm, should check out darthmetalknight's "Messianc complex" topic in General Autism Discussion perhaps, i think it would apply to you.

So you suffer too from the complex if you want to get back at a bully?

In that case this forum could get renamed.


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18 Jun 2010, 12:46 pm

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Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.
Hmmm, should check out darthmetalknight's "Messianc complex" topic in General Autism Discussion perhaps, i think it would apply to you.

So you suffer too from the complex if you want to get back at a bully?

In that case this forum could get renamed.
if wanting to personally make the world a better place is something you "suffer" from, then sure :lol:


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18 Jun 2010, 1:11 pm

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Have you told *him* what you think? The only evidence you have that he did anything even a little bit wrong is your perception that he lied to you. He could have meant every word, but just been so terrible at social interactions that it came off differently.

I know I often come across differently than how I actually am, so I can see this guy coming across as a liar even if he isn't. If he actually meant the things he said, and you don't tell him, but complain to the message board, then he'll think of you as "the mean girl who stabbed me in the back without warning". And if you do that, he'll be right.

Even if he really did exactly what you think he did, how do you know he is aware of it? If you tell him off for it, and he never realized what he was doing, he might feel bad about it and decide not to do that anymore.


That's my take on it too. I think this man was just out of his depth and had no idea how to proceed properly. It looks like a clumsy social gaffe at worst. Nothing immoral.



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18 Jun 2010, 1:14 pm

Creature wrote:
Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one. That's why I spammed the word 'moral'. If it'd be a legal crime too I could leave that word out as it'd save me some typing.

The fact that I knew what he was trying doesn't make it better either. The crime ITSELF doesn't change.


I just can't perceive this as immoral. He deluded himself into thinking he'd fallen in love with a pretty girl on the internet. He proceeds to woo with heartbreaking social ineptitude. Then he gets reamed on a message board as immoral. Frankly, I feel sorry for him.



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18 Jun 2010, 2:16 pm

Creature, were you perhaps born yesterday? I mean really, guys butter up women all the time to get in bed with them -- that's not breaking news or anthing. THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. Not just for humans, for many mammals.

And I find it ironic that you are blasting someone from a social anxiety forum, and not just rejecting him, but upping your rejection to a form of persecution.

You seem to be mad about a great many things in this world -- is it fair to displace that anger onto this one person who is at hand? Does that seem fair? Seems like a form of bullying to me.

I suggest you take a big look inside yourself and your own motivations and issues. It is not fair to go after someone for trying to sleep talk you into bed, albeit badly. If he went over the line, fine, warn him off, but don't go on some jihad against men telling little white lies to sleep with women. Do you not think that the same thing happens from the female side when women are courting a rich but unattractive male suitor?



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18 Jun 2010, 2:58 pm

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Creature, were you perhaps born yesterday? I mean really, guys butter up women all the time to get in bed with them -- that's not breaking news or anthing. THAT'S THE WAY THE WORLD WORKS. Not just for humans, for many mammals.

And I find it ironic that you are blasting someone from a social anxiety forum, and not just rejecting him, but upping your rejection to a form of persecution.

You seem to be mad about a great many things in this world -- is it fair to displace that anger onto this one person who is at hand? Does that seem fair? Seems like a form of bullying to me.

I suggest you take a big look inside yourself and your own motivations and issues. It is not fair to go after someone for trying to sleep talk you into bed, albeit badly. If he went over the line, fine, warn him off, but don't go on some jihad against men telling little white lies to sleep with women. Do you not think that the same thing happens from the female side when women are courting a rich but unattractive male suitor?


That it happens doesn't mean it's good, or acceptable. And yes, this world is a dreadful place without justice and I'm not starting a Jihad. People do it, yes, and the ''victims' feel pretty bad about it, according to girl's conversations I've heared in school. Especially when it is their 'first time'.

Bullying is common, so is backstabbing, etc. Why don't we call that normal too and therefore pretty much ok, and say ''people have been lying about you and threw garbage at you. No big deal! It happens all the time!''

His social skills don't matter, I'm purely talking about his intentions and plans. They are just wrong. That they are common doesn't make them right, and they can still hurt women.

I didn't say this behavior is exclusive for males, that girls try this is just as bad...or not? No offence, but girls tend to ''care more'' about such matters. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, it's bad.

The guy I mentioned is an example, but yet I dislike him having these intentions. I don't like him doing this, just as I don't like my former bullies to be all happy and never having to experience any form of retribution for what they've done to me and other people. It isn't fair.


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18 Jun 2010, 3:19 pm

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Replying is useless... apparently you can't get that even though something isn't a legal crime, it still can be a moral one.

I understand the idea of legal yet immoral acts.

What I don't understand is why you think he definitely did such a thing. So he said he loved you, and then didn't act how you think someone in love should act. How do you know his reactions would match what yours would be? How do you know he isn't mistaken about what love is?

So he said, "you look like a model". That may be a rather stupid line, and it might not be true, but that doesn't mean he doesn't believe it. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" as the saying goes. Not looking like a model doesn't mean nobody could possibly find you pretty, especially if they are infatuated with you at the time.

So he exaggerated when he complimented you -- so what? Most people do things like that in romantic situations. How many women have been told, "you are the most beautiful woman in the world"? Strictly speaking, there can't be more than one 'most beautiful woman in the world' at one time, but that doesn't stop men from saying it, or women from liking to hear it said, even though they both know it isn't really true.

Maybe he really did something wrong, but all I can tell for sure is that he's horny, naive, and socially clumsy. Which isn't immoral, and isn't unusual for a socially phobic 22 year old male.


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18 Jun 2010, 3:22 pm

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The guy I mentioned is an example...I don't like my former bullies to be all happy and never having to experience any form of retribution for what they've done to me...


This is good. This is about your feelings and why you're feeling them.
I suggest you continue to focus on that first, and worry about the world and womankind later.