How do you date when you are unemployed (girl)?

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02 Jul 2010, 10:25 pm

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I'm disabled myself OP & I'm on disability, don't drive, don't have more than a high-school diploma & know very few people offline. I'm having a very hard time finding someone myself. Have you tried any sites or groups for disabled people :?: I'm on a couple sites & they are some good guys there. Some (or lots of guys) on those sites can be jerks but NOT all are & you mite could rule a lot of the jerks out pretty fast. There's a high ratio of men to women on those sites & very few women on those things message guys 1st so if you take an active approach & search true profiles & message people; you mite could find someone really great


Well I am on disability for depression and AS, thanks for the suggestion though.


I've struggled with depression myself before & it can be pretty bad. I use a dating site for people with mental disabilities called NoLongerLonely & I also use one called Dating4Dsiabled witch is for disabilities in general but some people have mental stuff. I'm mentioning this in case anyone here mite be interested. I wish I had some better advice for you here


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03 Jul 2010, 1:09 am

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I find other unemployed low income people, boring, because they usually don't care about education, and like to do things like drink beer at a pub and watch sports.
So I can't really "stick to my social class".


The one obvious thing to do is to get out of that "social class" and get a job. Anything really. Then you can say you have a job. Or don't bring it up.

Or tell about the stalker you ran into earlier and say that "i really am not ready to share that yet because of that experience".

But really, as others have mentioned, its not really a problem for girls. When i dated, i met a few unemployed girls and frankly, i did not give a s**t about if they had a job or not. All i wanted from them was a relationship, not financial cooperation.

Honestly, try reading some of the female dating profiles, there are lots of demands on men, some are really insane and they specify even what newspaper the guy should read!


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03 Jul 2010, 5:07 am

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I find other unemployed low income people, boring, because they usually don't care about education, and like to do things like drink beer at a pub and watch sports.
So I can't really "stick to my social class".


The one obvious thing to do is to get out of that "social class" and get a job. Anything really. Then you can say you have a job. Or don't bring it up.


Ummm...
Thanks, I never thought of getting a job! Gee, I think I'll go out and do that right now! *sarcasm alert*
I am on disability because I cannot secure a job. Most entry level jobs are either service based, or labour based. I have weak social skills, poor muscle tone and bad joins which means I suck as a labourer. It wasn't my choice to be unemployed.
And "What do you do" is involved in 99% of the conversations on a first date.


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03 Jul 2010, 5:31 am

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For example most guys wouldn't want their friends or parents to know they are dating someone unemployed, with no future.


'Unemployed' is not the same thing as 'no future'.

Are there any free courses that you can do? They could improve your work prospects. They could also be a good opportunity to meet new people.

If you live in the big city then not having a car should not be a problem at all.

As always, make security a priority no matter how you meet people.

Maybe take a martial arts or self defense class. That is another good way to meet people. Bound to be a lot of guys there.
If you prefer a women only class that is still a good opportunity to make friends.
Arts like Aikido and Jiu-Jitsu are very good for a smaller person who needs to defend against a larger or stronger person.


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03 Jul 2010, 5:35 am

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Honestly, try reading some of the female dating profiles, there are lots of demands on men, some are really insane and they specify even what newspaper the guy should read!


The newspaper you read is a profiling tool. Most Guardian or Telegraph readers would probably not be looking for a Sun reader.

Pretty much the same as the OP not being a beer and football person.


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03 Jul 2010, 5:54 am

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Ummm...
Thanks, I never thought of getting a job! Gee, I think I'll go out and do that right now! *sarcasm alert*
I am on disability because I cannot secure a job. Most entry level jobs are either service based, or labour based. I have weak social skills, poor muscle tone and bad joins which means I suck as a labourer. It wasn't my choice to be unemployed.
And "What do you do" is involved in 99% of the conversations on a first date.



Obviously! Charity work requires so much physique and formal education, and as a little "fill up the gaps" thing to state when the so important social protocol of "what do you do" comes up - which is so decisive to superficial NT's when it comes to the actual act of choosing a life partners, it could NEVER server such a purpose.

Gee...what was i thinking?!?!?


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03 Jul 2010, 6:01 am

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The newspaper you read is a profiling tool. Most Guardian or Telegraph readers would probably not be looking for a Sun reader.

Pretty much the same as the OP not being a beer and football person.


It does not say anything about what a person thinks about specific subjects, it is a speculative, loosely grounded theory at best when it comes to figuring out what political opinion someone has.

I read several magazines online, because i want a spectrum of thoughts and as much details as possible IF i can find an interesting story. Anyone who would use such a lame criteria instead of clearly stating flat out what a political opinion someone they want to date should have is a gigantic waste of time to write to.


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03 Jul 2010, 6:33 am

Sarcasm Alert:

When people ask what you do just tell them your a writer writing a novel. Then ask them if they want to read it. If they call your bluff, just copy/paiste some longish inane fan fiction and give it to them. Writers, actors or, any other type of artist generally aren't expected to be successful.



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03 Jul 2010, 6:47 am

Ichinin wrote:
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The newspaper you read is a profiling tool. Most Guardian or Telegraph readers would probably not be looking for a Sun reader.

Pretty much the same as the OP not being a beer and football person.


It does not say anything about what a person thinks about specific subjects, it is a speculative, loosely grounded theory at best when it comes to figuring out what political opinion someone has.

I read several magazines online, because i want a spectrum of thoughts and as much details as possible IF i can find an interesting story. Anyone who would use such a lame criteria instead of clearly stating flat out what a political opinion someone they want to date should have is a gigantic waste of time to write to.


This must be cutural difference. Guardian reader and Sun reader have meanings that go beyond 'a person who reads the sun/guardian' The only reason for me to be on the Sun site would be to read about a celebrity's boob job. Even if I just want to read a soccer match report I can find it written much better elsewhere.

Saying that someone is a liberal, conservative etc doesn't tell you what they think on any specific subject either.

Do you want to read a 78 page report on a person's views and beliefs before you phone someone?
If so, what would you talk about on the date if you already know everything.

If a profile is too long people just won't read it.


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03 Jul 2010, 7:36 am

Wow I really relate to this topic. Most threads say it is more acceptable for a woman not to drive or be independent but in reality I think you are just as judged, I know I have. I don't drive either and as for jobs, I keep losing them... :(

It's taken me a long time to find out that not all guys are as judgmental about this stuff. I met a few guys online who have been understanding about my diagnosis and situation. I think you need to work on your self-esteem like a couple of good posters suggested. I know how hard it can be especially if you're living on very little. Support groups have always helped me but there is so few resources for people with aspergers. I'm not sure what the "right" thing would be to do. As for your pic, I think you're very pretty. Don't listen to some of the bitter eejits on this forum, not sure if this is the best place for dating advice anymore but take what you can and leave the rest behind so I was told.

You're self esteem is the major issue you need to work on. I think you're feeling stressed because of the issues you're under. Not everyone is going to understand your disability but not everyone isn't going to judge you. Also don't let your disability dictate or limit what you can do. The trouble with living on SSI is they expect you not to work and to an extent, I'm not totally against it but I do think it tends to limit your scope of what you can actually accomplish. However I would never recommend you getting off of that. Having some means of support is better than nothing. I know what it's like to be homeless and be judged by people who don't understand your struggles.

So I guess the only advice I can give is to work on yourself first. It's not always great to get into a relationship when you have a poor image of yourself. I think this is why I've had a history of attracting the wrong type of people. Most abusers look for that especially in women, then add that and aspergers and we come off really naive. Find a class you enjoy, get with the type of people who also want to better themselves. But I think you need to really work on you first. I don't know you well enough but I do get a sense that you're hurting on the inside. That's a difficult thing and I think the only positive way to resolve an issue of being accepted is to accept yourself first. Rejections happen to everyone, it's something you got to get use to and not take personally. For those of us who lack relationships in the love department, I think it makes us extra sensative. I think a lot of us on the spectrum are sensative people because we don't know what to expect from others and we know all to well what it's like to not fit in.

Anyhow that's all the insight I can give for now. I'm not great either when it comes to this stuff. I think you deserve the type of guy who will love you for you but you need to love yourself first and foremost, otherwise what is there to love?


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03 Jul 2010, 9:23 am

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Do you want to read a 78 page report on a person's views and beliefs before you phone someone?


I ask what i need to know to even be able to go out on a date with her, i do not engage in superficial half truths as other do (i.e. what is your favourite music band?) and the questions are always straight to the point when i talk to a girl.

You see, i make it my business to know if i even will be able to sitt next to the girl for an entire night without excusing myself, and when asked why, i have to tell her that she is an idiot. It happened once and i do not want to waste money on people i consider to be idiots. And to tie this in with the topic: Being an idiot is fully possible, even with a well paid job or an advanced degree - its the individual that counts.


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03 Jul 2010, 3:03 pm

I probably should have worded my post better, I don't think those things about myself. I was mainly blowing off steam, and being frustrated at the whole process.
That was a description of what other people tend to think are huge faults.
Online dating for most people is difficult, if you have any sort of "issue" or "baggage" as people like to call it. I love it when people actually post that in their ad. No issues or baggage! As if they are perfect, and are only willing to date other absolutely perfect people with a perfect past, LOL. which means if they actually believe they are so perfect, they probably do have some kind of personality disorder.

I know I'm not a terrible person, I'm more interesting than most people, haha, sometimes I even have too much self esteem.

I did well in University, and would have had a couple degrees now if I had the money to pay for it or a scholarship (there were very few I qualified for even though I had high marks), and a decent career as well. But I have had bad luck in life. Except I probably wouldn't want to drive anyway, if I had more money I'd just take the taxi more.

I was mainly bitchin' about it because I KNOW that I'm not just a "huge loser", I have lots of great qualities, but on the surface, that's what many people conclude when they find those things out about me. And they aren't all stuck up and pretentious or something- I mean people who are otherwise kind. They just get "scared off". Thats why it bothers me so much. There is just a major "social stigma" around those things. :roll:

I know not everyone is like that, but it's just annoying to be rejected for those reasons alone, over and over again. You can try to maneuver around the fact that you are unemployed for a while, but eventually they find out, and basically slam the door in your face!

Actually, I do write, and do creative/portrait photography, and have called myself "freelance" before. That definitely sounds more interesting than disability. I have tried volunteering, but also have been "fired" from volunteering because the seniors were uncomfortable with my lack of proper social skills.

I'm not sure what the future holds for me. That depends on a lot of things.
But when I said I seem like a "huge loser"- was not my personal judgement, I was referring to how people tend to sum each other up as "successful" or "loser", and based on that brief superficial description of me, I get stuck in the loser category, and people don't give me a chance.

It's hard to be optimistic in the light of all those things.
I probably shouldn't post on here when I'm tired and cranky and slightly more misanthropic than usual.


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03 Jul 2010, 3:55 pm

This may sound sexist but it's a reality (Sadly). A female doesn't really need to be employed or to be able to drive in order to get a date. Those factors would only harm (big time) the male's chances but not the female per sec.

In fact, a female like this would be rarely labeled as 'loser' , at least where I live, but a male like this ....hell yes , he'll be called loser by everyone.


I've seen females who are idiots, barely educated , unemployed and don't drive yet can get tons of bfs.

Your problem is not about those things you mentioned in OP but it's something else....



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03 Jul 2010, 4:43 pm

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I probably should have worded my post better, I don't think those things about myself. I was mainly blowing off steam, and being frustrated at the whole process.
That was a description of what other people tend to think are huge faults.
Online dating for most people is difficult, if you have any sort of "issue" or "baggage" as people like to call it. I love it when people actually post that in their ad. No issues or baggage! As if they are perfect, and are only willing to date other absolutely perfect people with a perfect past, LOL. which means if they actually believe they are so perfect, they probably do have some kind of personality disorder.

I know I'm not a terrible person, I'm more interesting than most people, haha, sometimes I even have too much self esteem.

I did well in University, and would have had a couple degrees now if I had the money to pay for it or a scholarship (there were very few I qualified for even though I had high marks), and a decent career as well. But I have had bad luck in life. Except I probably wouldn't want to drive anyway, if I had more money I'd just take the taxi more.

I was mainly bitchin' about it because I KNOW that I'm not just a "huge loser", I have lots of great qualities, but on the surface, that's what many people conclude when they find those things out about me. And they aren't all stuck up and pretentious or something- I mean people who are otherwise kind. They just get "scared off". Thats why it bothers me so much. There is just a major "social stigma" around those things. :roll:

I know not everyone is like that, but it's just annoying to be rejected for those reasons alone, over and over again. You can try to maneuver around the fact that you are unemployed for a while, but eventually they find out, and basically slam the door in your face!

Actually, I do write, and do creative/portrait photography, and have called myself "freelance" before. That definitely sounds more interesting than disability. I have tried volunteering, but also have been "fired" from volunteering because the seniors were uncomfortable with my lack of proper social skills.

I'm not sure what the future holds for me. That depends on a lot of things.
But when I said I seem like a "huge loser"- was not my personal judgement, I was referring to how people tend to sum each other up as "successful" or "loser", and based on that brief superficial description of me, I get stuck in the loser category, and people don't give me a chance.

It's hard to be optimistic in the light of all those things.
I probably shouldn't post on here when I'm tired and cranky and slightly more misanthropic than usual.
If you're social skills are poor then it doesn't make sense to try to get a service job or some other job that requires those skills. Starting at a job like that and then working up may work for most people, but clearly you are not most people so perhaps you should try a different approach. If you learn how to do something really well people will happily put up with your lack of social skills, in my experience. And you DON'T need to go to school to learn something well.



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03 Jul 2010, 5:53 pm

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if they actually believe they are so perfect, they probably do have some kind of personality disorder.


Probably, since narcissism is a ASPD trait. You'd do well to stay away from such people.


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03 Jul 2010, 6:21 pm

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This may sound sexist but it's a reality (Sadly). A female doesn't really need to be employed or to be able to drive in order to get a date. Those factors would only harm (big time) the male's chances but not the female per sec.

In fact, a female like this would be rarely labeled as 'loser' , at least where I live, but a male like this ....hell yes , he'll be called loser by everyone.


I've seen females who are idiots, barely educated , unemployed and don't drive yet can get tons of bfs.

Your problem is not about those things you mentioned in OP but it's something else....


As I said
I'm not talking about just dates or boyfriends. Sure, most guys love dumb sluts, strippers, waitresses, even crazy ones if they are hot for "dates". Even female serial killers get dates! I can "get dates". There's a difference between dating, and actually taking someone seriously.

I'm talking about a long term situation, with commitment, mutual respect, visiting each others families, etc.

Who are you to judge what my "problem" is, and to insinuate that I'm wrong about being rejected for those reasons. You don't know me. Come to think of it.... it could be the fact that I have a third arm, permanently bad breath, and a tendency to spit when I talk.

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If you're social skills are poor then it doesn't make sense to try to get a service job or some other job that requires those skills. Starting at a job like that and then working up may work for most people, but clearly you are not most people so perhaps you should try a different approach. If you learn how to do something really well people will happily put up with your lack of social skills, in my experience. And you DON'T need to go to school to learn something well.


Yeah, I already figured that out. The majority of entry level jobs requiring no education are either labour or service. The other ones are highly competitive, because most people don't want labour or service jobs. B.A is like highschool now. I could be a mail clerk or file, etc. but they usually want a degree and years of experience for those things, and have hundreds of applicants to choose from. I look for jobs all the time, I apply to jobs frequently. I just never get any. I'm not sure what you mean by "something really well". Dog Grooming? Brick laying? I don't even have a dog or bicks to practice on. I'm always working on learning programming, photoshop, and 3D modelling but I'm not quite good enough to compete with the many people in this town that have degrees in those areas. I also write. Don't assume I haven't tried anything.


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