Do nice girls finish last?

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"Nice guys finish last" is about relationships. Not about who gets to drive first in the parking lot or similar less important things.

Nice girls finish last? Not likely and here is the reason: Society has been built upon some kind of chivalry-esque notion that all women are sacred and men should get down on their knees and do whatever women wants. That leads to the result that men who REALLY want equality and treat women like equals, i.e. does not open the doors for women and does not let girls "cut in line" at the store are seen as as*holes, when society is really to blame because of this.

This is the same reason why we will never have gender equality, right now the fight for equality only apply to women.

The day when a girl initiates contact with me for a date and doesnt expect gender roles, at that point we'll have equality - and satan will be taking ice-sculpting classes!

No - nice girls DO NOT finish last.
We are all equal people.

You're nice in denial .

Yes, I think this is important. Society does seem to hold this notion about women being "special" and "sacred" just because of their gender. On the flip side, it also seems it is based on the notion that men are entitled to lead those around them, provided they have proven themselves at anything. It does seem, though, that more people (aside from us disgruntled men) are complaining about male power than about female "sacredness", and I agree, both of these privileges have to become less gender-based for equality to succeed.

But about the nice girls, I don't think they finish last in the way men do. They are, in fact, well-liked for relationships, as they are "cute", but I think where they tend to struggle is getting people to respect their accomplishments in life, and their opinions. I could see that people would tend to find their opinions "cute" but not necessarily important.

Oh and zen mistress, I really like your new picture. What a beautiful little lake.

No, society will never be equal until the day that men also get their nethers torn open by a baby's head. If women get a little extra chivalry they deserve it as many are stuck at home wiping bottoms and cleaning while (mostly) men run the world.

I do agree though that it would be nice if men were treated with sacredness too. Why not open the door for men, or buy them flowers.

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Firstly, thanks! I took that photo with my cellphone when I was out for a drive. It is what is probably a stock pond on the edge of a farm. That day was very still and pretty..

As for the topic. I dont think people are aware with the problems "nice" women can have, though it is well documented about nice guys.
Nice women can:

- End up doing too much for other people and deplete themselves
- End up being last in the world and be the worlds doormat and their social groups doormat, receiving all the concentrated bitchiness from the group
- Be in a relationship where they are abused
- Have people dumping problems on them or take them for granted.
- End up with myriad things they wont allow themselves to do as others might view them as "selfish".

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Exactly.


I don't see any long term advantages in being intentionally cruel or a liar. Any gains made that way won't last long; people are usually rather perceptive.

Girls are expected to be "nice," it's just that some know how to play the "nice" game and use it to get what they want - being nice and passive doesn't accomplish things because no one takes you seriously - but being opinionated gets you labelled an evil feminazi harpy - so a lot of women learn how to be "nice" and pretend they're everyone's friend while manipulating people in the background - which makes sense, since historically that's the only way women could have actual power in most societies.

I think nice guys finish last because nice guys tend to be suspected of being gay. It's also because of the way dating works. Men have to be the hunters & women get to be prizes. The nice guys play by the rules & try to be fair when most of the competition does not so they come in last. Women do not have to be nice but they can be nice if they want but in either case those women tend to have lots of guys coming on to em where most men do not have women coming on to em. Take dating sites for example; most all of em have a lot more men then women so the nice guys get overlooked by the guys who are making up lies about things because the liars appear to have more going for em sense they've made it up. The women do not have to make up lies as much sense there is a much higher ration of men to women looking for relationships

For some reason I cannot treat a girl
much different than a boy, alreddy tride don't work.
If a she is mean to me
I will have a tantrum, if a he is mean to me, I will
have a tantrum it does not matter,
but if he/she is nice, I won't have
a bad reaction, most likely I will have
a good one.

i was beginning to think no one would would finally catch my play on words

The OP's example doesn't exactly apply to 'love & dating', but the way I see it, it's much easier for a nice girl to get what she wants than a mean girl, whereas for men it works in reverse, where they get what they want by being a jerk instead of being nice.

But of course, as they say over on the TV Tropes site, "Your mileage may vary"...

Tim (aka the Slipperman)

You know, I don't really distinguish between the sexes. I find myself opening doors for both girls and guys.....

As for flowers, that last set I sent was to a friend who was a guy. Maybe that's why he died...

I'm so nice I boo away all the fairies, goblins, and trolls.

Nah, I caught it http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2936700 ... t=#2936700 check out the last post.

Guys who like flowers are gay I'm sure that's a stereotype cuz guys who do not conform to masculinity are considered gay & being a nice guy can sometimes go against masculinity so nice guys can be mistaken for being queer when they are not so they therefor finish last in relationships because women write em off as being gay. Women do NOT have to conform to femininity. I HATE the hypocritical double-standard social rules for guys