04 Aug 2010, 5:12 pm
04 Aug 2010, 9:10 pm
Surya wrote:
iniudan wrote:
Considering that the book has been giving advice how to deal with the opposing sex for almost two millennium, I will say the Kama Sutra. 
Actually I got no idea, but I will say that my joke suggestion is not a bad choice considering a good part of the text is actually what you ask, for some reason people tend to think the book only contain the picture, that made it reputation, in Occident.
Actually I got no idea, but I will say that my joke suggestion is not a bad choice considering a good part of the text is actually what you ask, for some reason people tend to think the book only contain the picture, that made it reputation, in Occident.
I didn't even realise that it was said as a joke.. oops..
As for pictures.. I never saw the picture book.. until years later and I was kind of
My main copy has 564 pages and there is not one picture in it.. at all..
Yes was a joke suggestion in the first line, but I was pretty serious in the second. The kama sutra I took time to read a bit was a high quality version that came to pass through my hand while I was at work (take care of entering new book in the database at a public library), but too shy to actually rent it to fully read it. (Mostly don't want to deal with people reaction to the book)
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04 Aug 2010, 9:57 pm
Surya wrote:
Why not? You might like to read the actual book before completely saying no to it. Then maybe take a yoga class before going to the picture book.
<3 Vatsyayana
<3 Vatsyayana
Check my link.
04 Aug 2010, 10:15 pm
iniudan wrote:
Surya wrote:
iniudan wrote:
Considering that the book has been giving advice how to deal with the opposing sex for almost two millennium, I will say the Kama Sutra.
As for pictures.. I never saw the picture book.. until years later and I was kind of
My main copy has 564 pages and there is not one picture in it.. at all..
As for pictures.. I never saw the picture book.. until years later and I was kind of
My main copy has 564 pages and there is not one picture in it.. at all..
Yes was a joke suggestion in the first line, but I was pretty serious in the second. The kama sutra I took time to read a bit was a high quality version that came to pass through my hand while I was at work (take care of entering new book in the database at a public library), but too shy to actually rent it to fully read it. (Mostly don't want to deal with people reaction to the book)
If you saw the cover would you recognise it? Because there are many versions out there.
This is my main copy http://bit.ly/az55Qb ("The Complete Kama Sutra : The First Unabridged Modern Translation of the Classic Indian Text" by Alain Danielou) if you read the reviews, you may notice the one that says something about a husband noticing that it didn't have many pictures..
Some have read Burtons, this one is much better IMO. The one Burton did, was not how the text was actually written and he left out many things and basically destroyed it in the eyes of many. One thing Burton did, was change terms and words, two of which were; a dildo became medicine and lesbian as corrupt woman.
Can you imagine some woman saying to her husband - sorry dear, I already had my medicine. Almost kinda funny..
Not so much funny a girl opening up and saying she was a 'corrupt woman.. go self-esteem
I will probably never understand peoples reaction to it, because how I first know it. But I chalk it up to that is western culture and its ability to twist things. I think, another reason it has been seen as 'dirty' and shunned, is because people are afraid of and need to corrupt anything called scriptures that do not have The Holy Bible" on the cover. It talks about love and caring and differences while the other..well...
http://www.galva108.org/kamasutra.html
Quote:
“The Complete Kama Sutra”
The First Unabridged Modern Translation of the Classic Indian Text
By Alain Danielou
“Until the present, the only English translation of the Kama Sutra was that of the famous English explorer Sir Richard Burton, published in 1883. Unlike Burton’s version, Alain Danielou’s new translation preserves the numbered verse divisions of the original and includes two essential commentaries: the Jayamangala commentary, written in Sanskrit by Yashodhara during the Middle Ages, and a modern Hindi commentary by Devadatta Shastri. Whereas Burton’s Victorian reluctance to translate certain terms obscured our understanding of the philosophy and techniques of the Kama-sutra, Danielou has preserved the full explicitness of the original, dealing with everything from the art of scratching to relations with the wives of others.
Realistic and pragmatic in its approach, The Complete Kama Sutra deals without ambiguity or hypocrisy with all aspects of sexual life—including marriage, adultery, prostitution, group sex, sadomasochism, male and female homosexuality, and transvestism. The text paints a fascinating portrait of an India whose openness to sexuality gave rise to a highly developed expression of the erotic.”
(The Complete Kama Sutra, back cover)
“The Vedic literatures are not only full of spiritual instruction but are also instructive in how to prosecute material existence very nicely, with the ultimate aim of spiritual perfection. Devahuti asked her husband, therefore, how to prepare herself for sex life according to the Vedic instructions. Sex life is especially meant for having good children. The circumstances for creating good children are mentioned in the kama-sastra, the scripture in which suitable arrangements are prescribed for factually glorious sex life. Everything needed is mentioned in the scriptures—what sort of house and decorations there should be, what sort of dress the wife should have, how she should decorated with ointments, scents and other attractive features, etc. …Devahuti wanted the passion of her husband to be increased by the arrangement mentioned in the kama-sastra.
(Srimad Bhagavatam 3.23.11 purport, by Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)
“After the Vedas were issued forth from Brahma at the beginning of creation, Manu set aside the verses concerning civic virtues and ethics, thus compiling the Dharma Shastra. Similarly, Brhaspati set aside the verses concerning politics, economy and prosperity to compile the Artha Shastra. Nandi, the companion of Lord Siva, set aside the verses concerning sense pleasure and sexuality, thus compiling the Kama Shastra. The great sage Vyasadeva put this Kama Shastra into writing approximately five thousand years ago along with all other Vedic literatures. It was then subsequently divided into many parts and almost lost until recompiled by the brahmana sage Vatsyayana during the Gupta period or about 300 A.D. The result was the famed Kama Sutra or “codes of sensual pleasure.” Although commonly presented to westerners in the form of an erotic sex manual, the actual unabridged Kama Sutra gives us a rare glimpse into the sexual understandings of ancient Vedic India.”
“The Vedic literatures are comprised of voluminous Sanskrit texts numbering in the thousands, and their priestly authors were renowned for their detailed descriptions of all sciences, both godly and mundane. To obtain a clear understanding of human sexuality, behavior and practice, one is advised to consult the Kama Shastra, which thoroughly covers this field. It is within these texts where the most information is found regarding the third sex and its members, behavior, practices and roles within society.”
(Tritiya-Prakriti: People of the Third Sex by Amara Das Wilhelm)
The First Unabridged Modern Translation of the Classic Indian Text
By Alain Danielou
“Until the present, the only English translation of the Kama Sutra was that of the famous English explorer Sir Richard Burton, published in 1883. Unlike Burton’s version, Alain Danielou’s new translation preserves the numbered verse divisions of the original and includes two essential commentaries: the Jayamangala commentary, written in Sanskrit by Yashodhara during the Middle Ages, and a modern Hindi commentary by Devadatta Shastri. Whereas Burton’s Victorian reluctance to translate certain terms obscured our understanding of the philosophy and techniques of the Kama-sutra, Danielou has preserved the full explicitness of the original, dealing with everything from the art of scratching to relations with the wives of others.
Realistic and pragmatic in its approach, The Complete Kama Sutra deals without ambiguity or hypocrisy with all aspects of sexual life—including marriage, adultery, prostitution, group sex, sadomasochism, male and female homosexuality, and transvestism. The text paints a fascinating portrait of an India whose openness to sexuality gave rise to a highly developed expression of the erotic.”
(The Complete Kama Sutra, back cover)
“The Vedic literatures are not only full of spiritual instruction but are also instructive in how to prosecute material existence very nicely, with the ultimate aim of spiritual perfection. Devahuti asked her husband, therefore, how to prepare herself for sex life according to the Vedic instructions. Sex life is especially meant for having good children. The circumstances for creating good children are mentioned in the kama-sastra, the scripture in which suitable arrangements are prescribed for factually glorious sex life. Everything needed is mentioned in the scriptures—what sort of house and decorations there should be, what sort of dress the wife should have, how she should decorated with ointments, scents and other attractive features, etc. …Devahuti wanted the passion of her husband to be increased by the arrangement mentioned in the kama-sastra.
(Srimad Bhagavatam 3.23.11 purport, by Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada)
“After the Vedas were issued forth from Brahma at the beginning of creation, Manu set aside the verses concerning civic virtues and ethics, thus compiling the Dharma Shastra. Similarly, Brhaspati set aside the verses concerning politics, economy and prosperity to compile the Artha Shastra. Nandi, the companion of Lord Siva, set aside the verses concerning sense pleasure and sexuality, thus compiling the Kama Shastra. The great sage Vyasadeva put this Kama Shastra into writing approximately five thousand years ago along with all other Vedic literatures. It was then subsequently divided into many parts and almost lost until recompiled by the brahmana sage Vatsyayana during the Gupta period or about 300 A.D. The result was the famed Kama Sutra or “codes of sensual pleasure.” Although commonly presented to westerners in the form of an erotic sex manual, the actual unabridged Kama Sutra gives us a rare glimpse into the sexual understandings of ancient Vedic India.”
“The Vedic literatures are comprised of voluminous Sanskrit texts numbering in the thousands, and their priestly authors were renowned for their detailed descriptions of all sciences, both godly and mundane. To obtain a clear understanding of human sexuality, behavior and practice, one is advised to consult the Kama Shastra, which thoroughly covers this field. It is within these texts where the most information is found regarding the third sex and its members, behavior, practices and roles within society.”
(Tritiya-Prakriti: People of the Third Sex by Amara Das Wilhelm)
04 Aug 2010, 10:21 pm
TheMinnesotaIceman wrote:
Surya wrote:
Why not? You might like to read the actual book before completely saying no to it. Then maybe take a yoga class before going to the picture book.
<3 Vatsyayana
<3 Vatsyayana
Check my link.
I did..
and it only shows me more westernised ignorance, lack of understand and acceptance of other cultures.
I could do the same kind of link, showing open minded westerners doing the same thing, with western culture. But why would I?
04 Aug 2010, 10:26 pm
05 Aug 2010, 10:39 am
crocus wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
By Neil Strauss
Quote:
Amazon.com Review
Are you just another AFC ("average frustrated chump") trying to meet an HB ("hot babe")? How would you like to "full-close" with a Penthouse Pet of the Year? The answers, my friend, are in Neil Strauss's entertaining book The Game. Strauss was a self-described chick repellant--complete with large, bumpy nose, small, beady eyes, glasses, balding head, and, worst of all, painful shyness around women. He felt like "half a man." That is, until a book editor asked him to investigate the community of pickup artists. Strauss's life was transformed. He spent two years bedding some fine chiquitas and studying with some of the North America's most suave gents--including the best of them all, the God of the pickup "community," a man named Mystery.
Mystery is an aspiring Toronto magician who charges $2,250 for a weekend pickup workshop. He is not much to look at: a cross between a vampire and a computer geek. But by using high-powered marketing techniques he's turned seduction into an effortless craft--even inventing his own vocabulary. His technique sounds like a car salesman's tip sheet: his main rule is FMAC--find, meet, attract, close. He employs the "three-second rule"--always approach a woman within three seconds of first seeing her in order to avoid getting shy. Other tricks: Intrigue a beautiful woman by pretending to be unaffected by her charm; also, never hit on a woman right away. Start with a disarming, innocent remark, like "Do you think magic spells work?" or "Oh my god, did you see those two girls fighting outside?" And finally, the most important characteristic of the pickup artist--smile.
After two years, Strauss ends up becoming almost as successful as Mystery, but he comes to an important realization. His techniques were actually off-putting to the woman he ended up falling in love with. And they never prepared him for actually having a relationship. After a while, he ran out of one-liners and had to have a real conversation. Still, The Game is a great read that may help some AFCs come out of their shells. --Alex Roslin
Are you just another AFC ("average frustrated chump") trying to meet an HB ("hot babe")? How would you like to "full-close" with a Penthouse Pet of the Year? The answers, my friend, are in Neil Strauss's entertaining book The Game. Strauss was a self-described chick repellant--complete with large, bumpy nose, small, beady eyes, glasses, balding head, and, worst of all, painful shyness around women. He felt like "half a man." That is, until a book editor asked him to investigate the community of pickup artists. Strauss's life was transformed. He spent two years bedding some fine chiquitas and studying with some of the North America's most suave gents--including the best of them all, the God of the pickup "community," a man named Mystery.
Mystery is an aspiring Toronto magician who charges $2,250 for a weekend pickup workshop. He is not much to look at: a cross between a vampire and a computer geek. But by using high-powered marketing techniques he's turned seduction into an effortless craft--even inventing his own vocabulary. His technique sounds like a car salesman's tip sheet: his main rule is FMAC--find, meet, attract, close. He employs the "three-second rule"--always approach a woman within three seconds of first seeing her in order to avoid getting shy. Other tricks: Intrigue a beautiful woman by pretending to be unaffected by her charm; also, never hit on a woman right away. Start with a disarming, innocent remark, like "Do you think magic spells work?" or "Oh my god, did you see those two girls fighting outside?" And finally, the most important characteristic of the pickup artist--smile.
After two years, Strauss ends up becoming almost as successful as Mystery, but he comes to an important realization. His techniques were actually off-putting to the woman he ended up falling in love with. And they never prepared him for actually having a relationship. After a while, he ran out of one-liners and had to have a real conversation. Still, The Game is a great read that may help some AFCs come out of their shells. --Alex Roslin
Of all the absolute crap that is out there in the dating advice category of books, this one looks (at least from the reviews) to be a good one for men and women alike, especially those on the autism spectrum due to our natural limits in the "game" department.
From this review, I think it would be an excellent choice for every AS woman to read, in order to understand the mechanism of manipulation that game players use, like a primer on sociopathic psych-out techniques. And, from the male perspective, it seems like the author was able to move beyond being a player. I say seems because supposedly he ended up with a member of Courtney Love's band, and CL should be the poster girl for female sociopathy.
It's actually an interesting read and if you have an eye for it, you'll notice some psychology stuff in play at different points. Some stuff is little more than superstition but even that still gives someone confidence in how they act, though. Some of it is just good in breaking bad habits as far as actually getting up to introducing yourself to a woman and initiating conversation.
And yes, at the end he rejects the whole PUA lifestyle because he realizes just how damaged most of the people are and how that informs other aspects of their lives.
05 Aug 2010, 11:06 am
07 Aug 2010, 2:11 am
skafather84 wrote:
And this is why such a book shouldn't be brought up around women.
And also why men should NEVER take advice on dating women from women. Relationship advice after the courtship but not before then. Women give anti-advice on meeting women.
And also why men should NEVER take advice on dating women from women. Relationship advice after the courtship but not before then. Women give anti-advice on meeting women.
I would amend the end of your first sentence to "...shouldn't be brought up around un-intelligent women."
As I'm sure you are aware there are some quite intelligent, brilliant even, women who are savvy to many of these psych games, have read about most of them, and
(Oh Shock! LOL) aren't reactive emotional bubble heads at the mere mention of head game playing.
One of my fave scenes in an episode of "Criminal Minds" was when 2 female FBI agents went to a club in San Fransisco where a known "lounge lizard"/"pick-up guru" lecturer would hang out and give lessons to his minions of men looking to "score a hit". He used many of the tactics that are given in books like you posted above.
It was hilarious watching the 2 female FBI agents spar right back with him, as they knew every one of his slimey moves.
09 Aug 2010, 8:54 pm
10 Aug 2010, 12:04 am
10 Aug 2010, 8:42 pm
11 Aug 2010, 3:33 am
It's about being compatible.
Those books are about getting you past the first stage. i.e. getting the first or second dates.
I don't think that most aspie blokes will really get on that well with most very NT women. Check out the Delphi forums for evidence.
You need to target someone most likely to hit it off with you. That might be someone who is 'a bit different' and will probably be harder to find. People living in large cities have the advantage here.
Keep working on the social skills though. You don't want to blow it when you do meet the right person.
What worked for me was local newspaper/magazine 'lonely hearts' ads. Once you figure out how to write a good ad you don't waste time meeting people that it would just never work with.
Also being locked into a date means that you have some time to recover if you botch the 'first impressions' phase 
This probably beats internet dating as there is less competiton and the people replying are fairly local.
Here's an old one that is probably still usefull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Win_Friends_and_Influence_People
11 Aug 2010, 4:42 am
11 Aug 2010, 5:04 am
Who_Am_I wrote:
Surya wrote:
JohnisBlind wrote:
Well I've been reading a few of the pages and skimming. Some of it says stuff like "isolate the target" a lot of stuff to get you psyched up and get the right attitude for "the game" Just not as much practical how to advice as I had thought. Not that I wont read it further.
Pardon? Isolate the target?
Am I the only one that finds that kind of.. wrong.
No. It's creepy.
Nope. it's dead right. Those books are about being on the hunt and snaring the prey.
You're on a mission Jason Bourne or Andy McNabb style. Go get em boys
It is a game after all. But don't take your paintball gear along.
11 Aug 2010, 10:08 am
BigK wrote:
Who_Am_I wrote:
Surya wrote:
JohnisBlind wrote:
Well I've been reading a few of the pages and skimming. Some of it says stuff like "isolate the target" a lot of stuff to get you psyched up and get the right attitude for "the game" Just not as much practical how to advice as I had thought. Not that I wont read it further.
Pardon? Isolate the target?
Am I the only one that finds that kind of.. wrong.
No. It's creepy.
Nope. it's dead right. Those books are about being on the hunt and snaring the prey.
You're on a mission Jason Bourne or Andy McNabb style. Go get em boys
It is a game after all. But don't take your paintball gear along.
Mr. Bourne had a nice steady girl as I recall.
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