Come listen to my story , young men.....

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Well, this is a story all about how my life got flipped, turned upside down.

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no kidding.

Bummer man. It's all in the reading. What people tell you is not always true, but just a covert way of of telling you what they want.

Like when she said she'd only date Muslims, and she thought you were a Muslim, she just meant "I want to date you". That what it means every time when a girl tells you she likes guys of a certian type, and you are (or at least seem to be) that type.

Same if she tells you the opposite. For example if she said she prefers guys with dark hair, and you bleached your hair blonde, revealing the fact your hair is naturally dark won't change a thing. She really just means "I don't want to date you".

Good luck. There will be other chances.

Aw, but I liked LPP

Poor , he told me that he wasn't liked by anyone here before....

well the [...] is not for the weak hearts.






I am very pro-choice, I don't like to influence and change a girl or any person , I never try to change people's faiths , even the extremists'. The change must be happen from within , not by me.


According to her story, that guy (her current bf) was rejected when he first asked her out and she told him that she would only consider it if he's willing to convert to Islam , she told me that he was ready to make a such step and he had no objections of her raising any future children in Muslim way (within the Islamic marriage for sure).

During the first weeks of her new relationships, she became obsessed in feeding him info about Islam , downloading load of Islamic 'teachings' for him. I witnessed all this since she works in my department (and it's a small dept of 4 persons).

She asked me what I think about her bf's willingness to convert (and here she knew I am atheist already) , I told honestly that it's probably a bluff, I told her that the guy was always agnostic and this 'willingness' is most probably not an act of faith , but rather a tactical act hoping that she'll accept him as he is - or - he'll might be willing to legally convert (where I live, religion is directly related to ID) to Islam but without any faith basis.

I was right, it was a smart bluff, and she fell for it - but not the same plan that I expected it to be, he bluffed her to gain time hoping that HE will convert her belief.
He was well ready for her attempts and her spell backfired on her. He started telling abt agnostic views and authors. Later on, she became convinced of the possibility of marrying as he is (a "Christian") and she started to seek for possible fatwas about the possibility of an Islamic marriage between a Christian man and Muslim woman, those clerics who issued such fatwas were rare and their fatwas were religiously controversial and had quasi-impossible conditions.

Further later, she became considering civil marriage , he convinced her that the civil marriage respects the same conditions of the Islamic marriage (what ??!) since both involve same elements such a judge, witnesses and a written contract (and so what?! Those are all superficialities, the's a world of difference in the content). Maybe co-habitation would be the next step? lol

She told me later that he always convinced in an indirect way because she thinks he's much more mature and more experienced (since he's older).
I witnessed that too : For example , she once asked him if it's ok to post a photo of her wearing a little exposed dress on Facebook - I personally couldn't notice anything over the limit in that photo, he said "ok no problem, but remember the harassers who will send you messages " - here I literally facepalmed when I heard this (for two reasons: the dumb question and the dumber answer). She was convinced and did posted the pic.


Now,I really doubt that a relationship would work between me and her, I am immune against the influence of others but I also lack the ability to influence others! I can't be influenced but I can't influence either!
And I would really be blunt with her since the beginning that I would have no willing to change my beliefs , nor I would accept to accept any of her islamic conditions (such as accepting my future children to be raised as Muslims).


He didn't succeed to convert her to fully-blown agnostic, but he could convert her to a watered-down pseudo ultra-moderate version of Islam - all made in her heads - that's not a way to a truth but a way to another lie.

But oh well , that's their relationship , so I let them do it in their way.....

to quote Hugh Laurie in the characterisation of Dr Greg House ... "People Lie"

^ and change

The Chipmunkssssssssssssss!

To be blunt, that woman did not sound like the sharpest knife in the drawer by a long stretch. I don't know about you, but I don't think I'd like to have a serious relationship with a woman so gullible and easily manipulable.

I would say that if I have a normal social life and I meet a lot of girls who might like me in my daily life , but I don't.

You're probably right but I am not the sharpest knife either.

Yes, but there's a difference between being "dull" and being "so dull you have to bludgeon your vegetables to death with it".

People lie.
People change.
People lie again.

You cant stop them. You can just stop it affecting you and those you care about.