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21 Aug 2010, 6:06 pm

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Stopped reading when I saw the words "borderline-autistic headcase".


Be happy you stopped right there. It gets much worse the further you get into the post/blog. Lets just say I think my brain was hemorrhaging from the ignorance/stupidity in that blog :/



Kenno is spot on about the blog writer's being way out of line about "borderline-autistic headcase" commentary.

Sidoni was obviously very mentally ill. Upon googling him, I saw a video he made of himself in which he referred to being rejected by women 10-20 years younger than him. It appears he wanted a much younger, highly attractive female. One wonder if he ever thought maybe he should have broadened his search criteria. Probably not.

I have always failed to realize why some people don't view a potential romantic match as a "total package." More specifically, I mean consider all aspects of a person - their looks, intelligence, character, their overall compatibility with you (attitudes about money, politics, family, religion), etc.

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21 Aug 2010, 6:13 pm

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I'm sorry if I appeared to be cold and harsh. I was just being blunt; its not a personal attack on anyone. What I meant to convey if that guys have to go out there and actually approach women in order to have a chance. I know they don't find it to be easy, but how else are they going to meet women? I'm just saying that women can't do all of the work in starting a friendship, or more.

I know having normal social contacts is a tough task for a lot of people. I am one of those people. I hate the phone, I don't even like going out to gatherings of any kind, and again, I hateee the phone. I would rather not have a phone but it's just a lot more convenient for emergencies and I need one for the places I volunteer at. I am constantly having to email or text or telephone, and I dread it most of the time. Anyways, point is that I understand what you're saying, because I find it emotionally draining to keep up unnecessary social relationships.

I'm not saying that you guys can't be nerds or whatever else you call yourselves. A lot of women actually like guys who are great with electronics and who are really smart. These guys are probably "my type," if I even have one. I'm only saying that you guys can't really expect to get laid or have a relationship if you don't put your self out there to at least a few women. I'm not saying that because women are shallow; its because we don't have a directory of all the guys in our town, so if you never go out and never introduce yourself, we may or may not know that you even exist.

It's okay to be awkward or nervous. Most of us aren't going to think you're creepy just because of that. Practice is still good though, because it desensitizes you a little tiny bit. Rejection is bound to happen to everyone, and getting over the fear of rejection is part of learning how to talk to the opposite sex (or the same sex) comfortably.


-Anyways I'm not writing this at my computer, so ill end the message here.


lol ....I am not saying that women have to magically detect those guys and call them , this is unfeasible. Nor I am trying to find excuses for anything but I am telling you why some of us can never get girlfriends : one needs friends and a normal social lifestyle before having a gf.

Step 1: having a normal social life , friends.
Step 2 : Gf usually come as a result of step 1.

many of us can't even get pass the step 1.


The "meeting a stranger and then date her' scenario only happens in movies. In life, it's rarely the case.
Online dating sucks , the gender ratio makes its success rate ridiculous.

So before telling those guys ''go out there and actually approach women in order to have a chance'' , you need to know what's the status of their social life , telling that to someone with no friend and no social life is like telling someone without oars to move the boat in water .
Their problem is usually more complicated and deeper than just 'not approaching women enough' , at least that's my case.



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21 Aug 2010, 6:19 pm

Earlier, my sister said to me that if I made myself more presentable and got onto dating sites, then I would get someone. I had to say it 3 times and she still didn't get it that there is something missing in Aspies that stops people being attracted to you. These bloody NT's get on my wick, I should whack them all and be done with it already.



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21 Aug 2010, 6:28 pm

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I'm sorry if I appeared to be cold and harsh. I was just being blunt; its not a personal attack on anyone. What I meant to convey if that guys have to go out there and actually approach women in order to have a chance. I know they don't find it to be easy, but how else are they going to meet women? I'm just saying that women can't do all of the work in starting a friendship, or more.

I know having normal social contacts is a tough task for a lot of people. I am one of those people. I hate the phone, I don't even like going out to gatherings of any kind, and again, I hateee the phone. I would rather not have a phone but it's just a lot more convenient for emergencies and I need one for the places I volunteer at. I am constantly having to email or text or telephone, and I dread it most of the time. Anyways, point is that I understand what you're saying, because I find it emotionally draining to keep up unnecessary social relationships.

I'm not saying that you guys can't be nerds or whatever else you call yourselves. A lot of women actually like guys who are great with electronics and who are really smart. These guys are probably "my type," if I even have one. I'm only saying that you guys can't really expect to get laid or have a relationship if you don't put your self out there to at least a few women. I'm not saying that because women are shallow; its because we don't have a directory of all the guys in our town, so if you never go out and never introduce yourself, we may or may not know that you even exist.

It's okay to be awkward or nervous. Most of us aren't going to think you're creepy just because of that. Practice is still good though, because it desensitizes you a little tiny bit. Rejection is bound to happen to everyone, and getting over the fear of rejection is part of learning how to talk to the opposite sex (or the same sex) comfortably.


-Anyways I'm not writing this at my computer, so ill end the message here.


lol ....I am not saying that women have to magically detect those guys and call them , this is unfeasible. Nor I am trying to find excuses for anything but I am telling you why some of us can never get girlfriends : one needs friends and a normal social lifestyle before having a gf.

Step 1: having a normal social life , friends.
Step 2 : Gf usually come as a result of step 1.

many of us can't even get pass the step 1.


The "meeting a stranger and then date her' scenario only happens in movies. In life, it's rarely the case.
Online dating sucks , the gender ratio makes its success rate ridiculous.

So before telling those guys ''go out there and actually approach women in order to have a chance'' , you need to know what's the status of their social life , telling that to someone with no friend and no social life is like telling someone without oars to move the boat in water .
Their problem is usually more complicated and deeper than just 'not approaching women enough' , at least that's my case.



Boo,

I hope you find a girlfriend who suits you. My take on Stellar's post is if you don't try - then you won't succeed.

I am an NT woman who got my heart ripped out nearly three months ago. I have spent my entire summer as a hermit because the breakup devastated me. I do have friends in town but I have socialized with them very minimally because I have been depressed.

Now I think I am ready to throw my hat back in the ring and in the next month (when I meet someone I have been talking to on the phone), knowing full well, I risk getting hurt again.

For me the biggest failure is not trying. I have failed many times in dating and other endeavors but somehow I dust myself off and try again.

Hope springs eternal. Without hope - we have nothing!

Just my thoughts!

LL



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21 Aug 2010, 7:28 pm

This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. He obviously watches Married With Children.

No one, including myself or the article writer, is proclaiming Sodini, a hero. He was a nutcase. But there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.



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21 Aug 2010, 7:31 pm

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There is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.

That's exactly it. And where is that taking us? Down the S-bend. It's creating embittered basket-cases, and not making anyone any safer.



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21 Aug 2010, 7:50 pm

I can say that if it weren't for the internet, I would never dated a girl, kissed a girl, felt a pair of breasts, and so on. Now I'm relying on the internet and internet dating and the like to meet someone to take the V-card, so hopefully I can realize what many tell me - that sex is overrated - and move on with a life that doesn't involve the pursuit of women.



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21 Aug 2010, 7:58 pm

I think article is good thinking material and does to bring to light how the rules and roles of the sexes have changed over the past 30 years. Some of it the betterment for some, some of it to the detriment of others.

I think it somewhat true that lonely, socially awkward men would still have a decent chance at having a normal sexual life provided they worked hard. Nowadays, that just isn't enough anymore. It's harder still when sex is thrusted into everyone's face by the media, getting people to think that this is normal, desiring it, then letting them down when the reality is that it isn't normal, it's the exception for a few.

The growing class inequality in this country is certainly not making matters any easier as it's even harder to live to by the rules than it was before. The article does have that part right, there's a lot more ways society and politicians screw regular people over than there used to be.


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21 Aug 2010, 8:07 pm

I'd like a loving relationship, the kind where there's mutual physical attraction and two people truly understand each other, but I feel that's a thing of the past in general. Women are as tempted by men as men are by women, if not for different reasons. Men see attractive woman and think "sex"...women see jock/man in uniform/pretty boy/whoever and think "He's a challenge." Whatever happened to two people being enjoying one another's company and loving one another? Now everything's a game. If you don't study the game, you're screwed (which a lot of men, including Aspie men, don't)...and if you do study it (which I do) it can only help you so much.



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21 Aug 2010, 8:18 pm

foreveryoung wrote:
This article pretty much sums up my thoughts. He obviously watches Married With Children.

No one, including myself or the article writer, is proclaiming Sodini, a hero. He was a nutcase. But there is something wrong with a society that doesn't reward the guy that works his a$$ off and plays by the rules, and allows emotionally and physically abusive men to get all the women they want.

Women are PEOPLE, not REWARDS for good behaviour. You work hard, you deserve a raise at work, a medal from the mayor, a cookie, etc. you are not entitled to the affections and sexual services of another PERSON.

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I'd like a loving relationship, the kind where there's mutual physical attraction and two people truly understand each other, but I feel that's a thing of the past in general. Women are as tempted by men as men are by women, if not for different reasons. Men see attractive woman and think "sex"...women see jock/man in uniform/pretty boy/whoever and think "He's a challenge." Whatever happened to two people being enjoying one another's company and loving one another? Now everything's a game. If you don't study the game, you're screwed (which a lot of men, including Aspie men, don't)...and if you do study it (which I do) it can only help you so much.

If you see dating as a game, you're going to attract other people who are playing the same game, and detract people who are seeking companionship who want to meet someone they can genuinely enjoy spending time with instead of trying to trick out of sex/money/whatever.



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21 Aug 2010, 8:42 pm

Typical feminist view.



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21 Aug 2010, 9:03 pm

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Typical feminist view.

And proud of it.



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21 Aug 2010, 9:07 pm

I never said women were rewards for good behavior. If you read what I posted correctly, I said that women choose to go for emotionally and physically abusive guys instead of going for well-behaved men because well-behaved men aren't "exciting" enough. I guess being beat and cheated on is exciting, *shrugs.*



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21 Aug 2010, 9:17 pm

I apologise then, but you also mentioned that society doesn't reward men who work hard and play by the rules - it isn't up to society to reward them, it's up to women to realise that they're better than batterers and cheaters - and if they don't it's the woman's loss. Those types of women typically have issues that make them rather unstable in relationships and certainly not all women are like that.



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21 Aug 2010, 9:23 pm

I wasn't exactly clear...by play by the rules, I meant dating-wise.

I just think a good portion of women expect too much out of men...and the men that can provide what they're looking for are just good liars and manipulators and have the physical look that the women like.



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21 Aug 2010, 9:34 pm

foreveryoung wrote:
I wasn't exactly clear...by play by the rules, I meant dating-wise.

I just think a good portion of women expect too much out of men...and the men that can provide what they're looking for are just good liars and manipulators and have the physical look that the women like.

Ah.. see I imagined some sort of distribution scheme... ah well it sounded more reasonable in my head.. :P
And that's true, women do the same though - I know a lot of men whose expectations are around looks and little more - which is fine for a casual thing - but long term they end up with women who use and manipulate them then wonder why, when they and their partner have absolutely nothing in common.