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01 Nov 2010, 7:55 pm

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I'm going to say that the sweeping generalization might work in terms of you feeling limited, but it doesn't mean that its accurate overall. Most people who are ID'd as Aspie tend to be male, yes. The way it manifests in women tends to be different and therefore is not caught as often. Plus social expectations for little girls to be quiet or introspective lends Aspie girls to be overlooked since boys are expected to be rough and rowdy. However, it doesn't mean we don't exist or that we somehow have it easier just because you are having issues.

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There was a user called LePetitPrince (a very smart user ...and handsome too) who defied this unproven theory (which is so amazingly common like some kind of religion among aspie women) :
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106618.html


I knew it! Caught out, LPP.

Well, I love chocolate and I'm trying to work on liking fashion... with limited success. I figured a while ago that at least being able to have more in common with other women would increase my chances of managing to be in a relationship because men will be able to understand me more. Plus if I liked fashion I would be more attractive to men, because I would know how to dress and do my makeup and hair, so they would actually find me weird but attractive (as opposed to just plain weird) and want to go out with me.


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02 Nov 2010, 2:58 pm

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The problem is that (1) The percentage of people who self-identify as aspie seems to be roughly 80% male, so the gender ratio in the discussions is out of whack

Yes, statistics is a royal b***h. Aspergirls tend to hide their manifestations easier but still have the problem Aspie males do.
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(2) The majority of aspies undoubtedly would like to find a steady signicant other of the opposite sex, but this is not relected in the discussions which seem to draw a disproportionate number of people claiming to be asexual, transexual, lesbian, homosexual etc

There are people here who have given up on sex since they can't find a meaningful way to vent off sexual tension short of masturbation or seeing a prostitute/escort. There are also people in the spectrum who identify as LGBT, but also our lack of social cues/understanding makes us a "magnet" for weirdos, so to speak. Personally, I consider myself a sexual person with bottled up sexual tension - but I don't blame it on the other sex. I'm waiting for that someone I can make a emotional bond with or I'll just let it happen as a one-night stand. But I personally think sex is nothing without love.
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(3) I can't get over the vastly different approach toward love and sex between men and women, but the difference is what gives life a lot of its charm and fun. 90% of what interests females is meaningless to me. I don't see the appeal of gardening, fashion, furniture, owning a home, cooking, feminism, chocolate, shopping, discussing relationships, or discussing much of anything, dieting etc.

And not every girl out there is a Juicy Couture/VS PINK and Ugg clad, Coach or Louis Vuitton bag clutching ditz. Not every guy out there is a macho man or a alpha male. There are Aspie men and women tend to not care about personal appearance for several reasons, I consider sensory issues to be legitimate but I also think another reason is social apathy. Yes guys, socializing is a b***h. Yes guys, it's doable. Use the internet to your advantage. Wash up. Put on a nice shirt and a nice pair of pants. I think us Aspies can pre-condition ourselves to most social situations but it's understandable if some will put you in meltdown mode - such as bars and loud places.
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(4) Being weird cuts you off from love and sex much more definitely if you are male than if you are female. Because most normal men are horny, even the most disfunctional woman can find some kind of relationship with a guy, though all to often it means being an abused doormat.

There are women who have the same kind of social or mental issues that are craving sex or want a relationship- but it's a problem finding one that isn't too detached from the world or too crazy. And getting them out of their shell takes time. And besides, there are women out there that think nerdy or weird man are hot as well. It's just a matter of logos, pathos, ethos - a set of terms I heard a lot in speech and debate when I was into it. Logos and ethos are on your side. Pathos is between the two of you.



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02 Nov 2010, 3:31 pm

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I knew it! Caught out, LPP.


So, you think the Boo is LePetitPrince? I wondered what happened to him.



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02 Nov 2010, 5:09 pm

Could well be. Same location, roughly same age, similar outlook on dating overall, and writes in English as if it were his first language.



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02 Nov 2010, 5:59 pm

^ Maybe yes........maybe not .... I can't remember! O_O

Maybe .... LPP is ....dead? and reborn as me? hooo ...scary.

Maybe ....LPP was a mere human?......exposed to high level of radiation , mutated and became....ME?! A face of BOO!

Or LPP was a total different being back then?

In both cases, Boo is not LPP.



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02 Nov 2010, 6:17 pm

Jono wrote:
sunshower wrote:
I knew it! Caught out, LPP.


So, you think the Boo is LePetitPrince? I wondered what happened to him.


I knew all along. But Boo is right; Boo is not LPP. If that makes any sense...


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02 Nov 2010, 6:29 pm

I can't help but notice that some men will react to their frustration with singleness/seeking either by making sweeping statements about women or by declaring themselves celibate/asexual. Of course, not all women are into fashion, dieting, cooking, and the rest of the items on that list. Did you forget to add football, running, walking, drinking in the pub, karaoke, playing a musical instrument (hey I know of a woman who plays 28 of them), driving, skiing, rowing, computer games, sci-fi films, etc. They're all out there if you look beyond the forefront.

Though don't get me wrong, I used to think similar things when I was younger and couldn't understand why I couldn't find a girlfriend. I still haven't found one but I'm sure I'm getting closer now. From personal experience, I find women are more interested in men who are interested in their hobbies and discussions. As sad as it is, it's true that you would need to discuss things the woman likes to talk about (and she would talk with you about your interests too) in order for a two-way relationship to work.


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02 Nov 2010, 9:15 pm

jadw wrote:
I can't help but notice that some men will react to their frustration with singleness/seeking either by making sweeping statements about women or by declaring themselves celibate/asexual. Of course, not all women are into fashion, dieting, cooking, and the rest of the items on that list. Did you forget to add football, running, walking, drinking in the pub, karaoke, playing a musical instrument (hey I know of a woman who plays 28 of them), driving, skiing, rowing, computer games, sci-fi films, etc. They're all out there if you look beyond the forefront.

Though don't get me wrong, I used to think similar things when I was younger and couldn't understand why I couldn't find a girlfriend. I still haven't found one but I'm sure I'm getting closer now. From personal experience, I find women are more interested in men who are interested in their hobbies and discussions. As sad as it is, it's true that you would need to discuss things the woman likes to talk about (and she would talk with you about your interests too) in order for a two-way relationship to work.

YES. :D


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02 Nov 2010, 9:55 pm

There are plenty of other forums here. :D



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02 Nov 2010, 10:09 pm

jadw wrote:
I can't help but notice that some men will react to their frustration with singleness/seeking either by making sweeping statements about women or by declaring themselves celibate/asexual. Of course, not all women are into fashion, dieting, cooking, and the rest of the items on that list. Did you forget to add football, running, walking, drinking in the pub, karaoke, playing a musical instrument (hey I know of a woman who plays 28 of them), driving, skiing, rowing, computer games, sci-fi films, etc. They're all out there if you look beyond the forefront.

Though don't get me wrong, I used to think similar things when I was younger and couldn't understand why I couldn't find a girlfriend. I still haven't found one but I'm sure I'm getting closer now. From personal experience, I find women are more interested in men who are interested in their hobbies and discussions. As sad as it is, it's true that you would need to discuss things the woman likes to talk about (and she would talk with you about your interests too) in order for a two-way relationship to work.

thank you! I'd much rather date a girl whose idea of a good time doesn't include maxing out her credit cards at Juicy Couture/Nordstrom(I like that store, however) and watching the Kardashians on cable TV.

It would be a plus in my book if my potential partner was a snowboarder, cyclist, photographer but at the end of the day she'll be different than me but if she accepts me for who I am and is willing to overlook my flaws, that is what matters most.



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02 Nov 2010, 10:46 pm

The love and dating forum and even PPR, IMO, a bit like Family Guy - ie. you watch it, see something that offends you, say "---- this - I'm done", and sure enough you're back next week glued to the TV :).

Yeah I think this forum can be a train-wreck at times, as is life. I think that's exactly why most of us do keep coming back - we're perfectly willing to weather it if we can see so much as one glimmer of hope, either for ourselves or even humanity. The fact that we have these issues is what keeps this so well populated.

My suggestion is this - if someone starts a very intelligent or forward-thinking thread, just don't let it sink like an anvil and be off the front page with one reply. As it is, when things like that are posted, they can easily disappear fast.



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03 Nov 2010, 1:25 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The love and dating forum and even PPR, IMO, a bit like Family Guy.

Nah. They're much darker and bleaker than something as tame as Family Guy!



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03 Nov 2010, 2:37 am

I agree. It is like craning your head to gawk at a car wreck and smashing headfirst into a lamp post.

May you all find love with a dose of peace and happiness in your life. It probably isn't going to happen here, so get yourself out there and just try. No one is going to fix your problems for you.



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03 Nov 2010, 2:57 am

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(3) I can't get over the vastly different approach toward love and sex between men and women, but the difference is what gives life a lot of its charm and fun. 90% of what interests females is meaningless to me. I don't see the appeal of gardening


Where I grew up, gardening was a very big past time, and with few exception, it was almost exclusively a male thing and most of them took great pride in their landscaping. Even the flower clubs (and there were a lot of them) were almost always headed by men.

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fashion


Not much for it myself.

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furniture, owning a home, cooking


How is furniture and owning a house sex dependent? And I don't think women enjoy cooking any more than men. Most professional chefs are men. Most short order cooks are men. Mothers and wives cook because someone has to do it and the husbands usually work away from the home.

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feminism


In what context? Man hating feminazis I certainly don't support. Equal pay for equal work, and equal intellectual respect, I do support.

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chocolate


Just candy to me.

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shopping


For clothes, no. For anything at Fry's, sure.

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discussing relationships


This is akin to a woman not caring for sex.

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discussing much of anything


Again, not sex specific.

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dieting


If you dated men, you would.

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etc


Honestly if you really wanted a woman who didn't care about these things, I'm sure she'd be easy to find, but I doubt that's what you want. Perhaps you just want a woman who doesn't bother you with these things.

In that case, and I don't make this recommendation lightly, you honestly might consider a mail order bride.



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03 Nov 2010, 3:03 am

Chronos wrote:
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shopping


For clothes, no. For anything at Fry's, sure.

I don't mind being taken shopping - as long as I have my iPhone in hand when I get dragged into a "girly" store. I'll probably have to subject my partner to Costco, Fry's, Kragen/O'Reilly, Home Depot, lululemon and Nordstrom.



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03 Nov 2010, 3:15 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Darkmysticdream wrote:
I'm going to say that the sweeping generalization might work in terms of you feeling limited, but it doesn't mean that its accurate overall. Most people who are ID'd as Aspie tend to be male, yes. The way it manifests in women tends to be different and therefore is not caught as often. Plus social expectations for little girls to be quiet or introspective lends Aspie girls to be overlooked since boys are expected to be rough and rowdy. However, it doesn't mean we don't exist or that we somehow have it easier just because you are having issues.

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There was a user called LePetitPrince (a very smart user ...and handsome too) who defied this unproven theory (which is so amazingly common like some kind of religion among aspie women) :
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt106618.html


Not that I want to discount girls and women who have social issues, but as a woman with AS, I have to say, that I really present(ed) no different than an AS male when I was younger. It's honestly quite alien to me how a girl with AS would even have enough social skills to get a group of friends.

When I was in 3rd grade, at the prodding of my psychologist at the time, I approached one of the groups of girls and asked if I could eat lunch with them, and they did say yes, but I found myself horribly out of place. They were talking about people I had never heard of and much of the conversation was about who did what with who and who played at who's house when and who got new berettes for their hair and I eventually decided I'd rather go walk around a tree and look at the ants until the bell rang.

I really, really, REALLY did not blend in.

However I do think women with AS are more likely to be misdiagnosed with depression or bi-polar disorder.