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07 Jan 2011, 6:45 am

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You're actually quite handsome. And I don't think you look hopelessly boy next door. I'm not really sure what a raver is supposed to look like, but if you let your hair grow a little more and put on a flannel you could definitely pull off rugged.


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I don't know about the looks thing--you do look fairly clean cut, but I don't know why that would be specifically attracting the country music girls. (shudder) A lot of the ravers I know are also pretty preppy/clean cut, so maybe I'm just used to it. Maybe that's just OKC, though--we had a pretty clean scene overall. Especially the DJs.


I guess I do need to be a lot more careful about what I say. Realistically I have all sides to me. I am part boy-next-door, but the trouble is I'm also part depth, part party, have a lot of components to me that seems to utterly confuse purely the girl-next-door. Realistically though I'm looking for someone who's a bit of the same ratios. I have met girls who were, say, clean cut, very school, grades, and success driven, wholesome, but nothing went over their heads - ie. their feminine, from a different background, but their emotionally objective when it comes to people and things in general. I've also met girls who were in my crowd, shared similar experiences, and came together quite well, may have had a wholesome streak as I did at the bottom of it all to begin with. I guess it might be easy for people to wonder if I'm meaning vegan with dreadlocks, wrapped in tattoos, hoops through the septum and 'all natural' on shaving and showering - there are ravers like that but that's the hippy crowd, many aspies have a hippy streak - I'm not one of those :lol: .

Even right now, not looking for a girl who raves or parties now in her life, more or less someone who either has common history somewhat or doesn't have her head so deep in the box that she can't tolerate or relate to anything that seems like a paradox.



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07 Jan 2011, 7:01 am

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I think you're just in the midst of what everyone who isn't permanently coupled is facing: the search for "the one." You really do have to kiss a lot of toads before you find your princess, so to speak. Perhaps you're too quick to disqualify some of the ladies who are interested? Sometimes partners' interests compliment each other very well, although they're not necessarily specifically shared between them. Sometimes partners have tons in common - that's no guarantee of a successful relationship, either. Maybe you should just start puckering up, and see what happens? :shrug:

I've really entertained this idea before but it usually goes about as far as second round of questioning, mail back and forth, or worse for them - texts and dating - and I then end up being the one who flakes or vanishes because most of what I thought from the beginning proved to be correct. Without feeling like someone's a bit of a kindred spirit chemistry vanishes.

Also I guess I could say that in terms of looking for anyone who's a 70, 80, or 90% carbon copy of me, I'd much rather that be in the cognitive sense than in their specific choices of interest. Typically though I can see that somewhat in a picture or when they mention in their profile being into photography, art appreciation, music-wise also I notice a lot of girls who are on a similar page may like indie blues or folk the way I like the stuff I do just based in that they get a similar interpretation of things, and I suppose that's an area where we then easily have mutual respect and enjoyment from each other's tastes in music as well :). I wouldn't even be that closed minded though, just that if a girl is top 40, sports, etc., I need to be able to look at her picture and see something that reminds me of someone I've met who I did have great mutual chemistry with (in these cases: but unfortunately not single). I know people don't fit into neat little stacks, society on average may seem like it fits into a very narrow and small stack being on the outside for whatever reason I'm out here but I do know people can surprise me, but strangely enough being surprised happens much more often IRL than it does on a dating site. IRL I can run into a girl who looks like a standard bar girl, or standard preppy, and then she opens her mouth and surprises the heck out of me in a positive way. Online they'll typically make themselves quite distinct in their profiles as well.



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07 Jan 2011, 7:10 am

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I think you are a very attractive guy, and I don't think you are wrong in wanting what you do, or that there are not enough women out there who want the same thing. I just think that sometimes, it takes longer to find others who are truly compatible than we would like. I always wanted someone with whom I shared many of the same characteristics you mentioned, but one of the things I always felt would define our relationship would be that I would know them long enough as a friend to become comfortable with moving to more. I know that is a bit backwards from the way most people work, but sometimes, you have to work backwards if you want things to work differently than they always have.

Now I have found someone that I feel is truly these things to me. The most beautiful part of it all? Even though it took time, we were friends first :)

And I agree, that goes completely backwards to anything I've ever heard from most people. Its typically a thing of 'if you don't show intent within ten seconds of seeing them - forget it', its as if nature is the only truth and intellect/identity is a lie in their books.

I'm glad that worked well for you though. I don't know how I could do that. I typically don't have female friends though, at least who weren't gf's of close guy friends originally. I think the reason being - it seems like women's reactions to me have been a bit too polarized, very few if any simply want to be friends.

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A word about dating sites though...I was on eharmony at one point and kept getting matches from all these guys who were so not my type. They were athletic, narcissistic, all about looks of their partners, etc., and I just couldn't understand it. However, after a few days I realized I made a huge mistake on the questionnaire. Where it had asked if I thought it was important that my mate be attractive, I interpreted that as attractive to me, so I answered that it was very important. Therefore, every match I received was attractive by most people's physical standards, not by my personal standards (which are more strongly based in intellect, personality, and sense of humor)...lol. I asked the company if I could retake the test because I answered the question wrong, or if they could fix it, and they said no, absolutely not. So it could be less about anything you have done to attract these women, and more an answer on your questionnaire. Unfortunately, if it is still like it was, you will continue to only receive incompatible matches with no way of changing your preferences.

That's aweful though. I would think that when they say 'attractive' they'd mean physically attractive - which means, for reference to you, that a guy could be anything from a GQ, jock, good clean christian, jewish, or mormon guy to being a musician, artist, industrial, grunge, hip-hop, etc. etc.. 'Attractive' has nothing to do with 'societal conformist'. If they'd want to think of it purely in terms of "What does the standard Top 40 tabloid reader find attractive?" they really need to think about reading what else you say about yourself via the questions and your own words before putting such odd restrictions on it. If they are doing that much odd guessing and filling in blanks on your own identity for you though - likely there's no hope, they'd be doing it throughout the test. I can't say they aren't doing it, just that - wow - anyone who isn't Joe/Jane Conformist or neuro-mainstream can kiss that site goodbye.



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07 Jan 2011, 12:13 pm

A few more things since I'm lunch break and have a moment.

HopeGrows wrote:
Perhaps you should be more candid in your online profile? Find a way to incorporate some of the things you've said here? "I may look like a choirboy, but I haven't been to church in years," - or something to that effect. I don't know....I did like the beard, though (although you're fine without it, too).


Unfortunately I think that would confuse them more than anything? I have spiritual but not religious set on my profile, I actually don't mind a girl who goes to church out of reverence - and I have reverence for things like this - just that I'm far from being a 'cultural Christian' or anything like that where the dogma kicks in. Then again I've met enough girls who were cool and church really didn't get in the way of that, I tend to also enjoy books that drill deeper on theology, like Michael Novak's No One Sees God which is still high on my favorites list. Practical Christians - yes. The 'You have to listen to country or top 40 and wear Liz Claiborn and khaki's always to classify as a good boy', people like that I just don't get and I can't say for sure that I ever will, its not so much that I don't understand ignorance so much as I don't understand people being able to stay in bubbles like that well in their 20's, 30's, and beyond.

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Speaking of looking clean cut. Some of you may remember a while back the girl who lied and claimed she fell asleep and woke up with stars tattooed on her face against her will. (She has recently confessed she did indeed authorize the tattoos). However there was a photo of the tattoo artist she was accusing, and despite his tattoos and piercings, due to his hair cut and glasses, he still looks clean cut to me.
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The impression that I get of this guy is that he was rollcast socially as a sports stats nerd (ie. the guys back in highschool who'd talk baseball cards and stats all day), apparently he was having some trouble with that so he figured that if he hit himself in the face with a tacklebox enough times and inked things up that people wouldn't seem him beneath it.

Life unfortunately does strange things to people, and typically when you see people doing things this gaudy its a sign of some sort of repression.



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07 Jan 2011, 2:08 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
And I agree, that goes completely backwards to anything I've ever heard from most people. Its typically a thing of 'if you don't show intent within ten seconds of seeing them - forget it', its as if nature is the only truth and intellect/identity is a lie in their books.

I'm glad that worked well for you though. I don't know how I could do that. I typically don't have female friends though, at least who weren't gf's of close guy friends originally. I think the reason being - it seems like women's reactions to me have been a bit too polarized, very few if any simply want to be friends.


That's why Aspie girls are so cool :D Most of us enjoy the company of men, not just for the sake of having a romantic relationship like so many females do. From everything I have ever heard from others (NT's), everyone of the opposite sex is a potential mate, whereas in my world, only a few are potential mates, but almost everyone is a potential friend :) This point of view has frustrated quite a few NT guys along the way, but I knew what I wanted, and I wasn't going to just settle for any relationship...

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That's aweful though. I would think that when they say 'attractive' they'd mean physically attractive - which means, for reference to you, that a guy could be anything from a GQ, jock, good clean christian, jewish, or mormon guy to being a musician, artist, industrial, grunge, hip-hop, etc. etc.. 'Attractive' has nothing to do with 'societal conformist'. If they'd want to think of it purely in terms of "What does the standard Top 40 tabloid reader find attractive?" they really need to think about reading what else you say about yourself via the questions and your own words before putting such odd restrictions on it. If they are doing that much odd guessing and filling in blanks on your own identity for you though - likely there's no hope, they'd be doing it throughout the test. I can't say they aren't doing it, just that - wow - anyone who isn't Joe/Jane Conformist or neuro-mainstream can kiss that site goodbye.


Best I can figure out is that they only make the matches based on the questionnaire. So if you say that looks are very important to you, you are matched with someone who considers themselves very good looking or who also says that looks are very important to them as well (not sure which one, been a long time since I visited the site). They feel that their approach is very scientific, and that their questions have been honed to provide the most accurate picture of who you are and what you desire in a mate. That's great if you read the questions in the context that they were written in, which is hard to do when you have a hard time judging context without additional details...lol!


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