Guys - What do you think of this?

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The only thing that bothered me about the whole video was the right of passage issue. How many of you - here - have been through things of that calibre, once, even several times, and you're still at square one? Even with emotional maturity? Its as if, when you become a man, and there's nowhere to go from that point or nothing for that internal skillset to grab onto, or perhaps you don't visually 'look' masculine and the world around (ie. you look nimbish or perhaps 5 or 10 years younger than you are) you simply will not be allowed that recognition, its not like you revert but its like you accept, say, sitting on the computer playing video games once in a while or doing things that are technically boyish but under an adult context or believing that its asinine to judge it - like the notion that when one gets older its immature not to switch to classic rock or easy listening, it seems asinine but.... evolution's perhaps about as logical and commonsensical as an avalanche or a lava flow - there's simply no reasoning with instinct, just like there's no reasoning with stupidity.

He also forgot to mention - right of passage, lets say with the circumcision example - what do they do with the guys who wince when it happens? This is supposed to be a genetic quality check as well, otherwise no one would fail. I would figure that plenty of guys, and women, who are alive technically aren't supposed to be. Sexual interaction as well is nature's quality check. Men are physical health and appearance inspectors/analysts, women are neurological health and instinct inspectors/analysts, and I think its generally figured that if an attractive woman with crap instincts gets through a radar because he's looks based or an unattractive guy with good instincts gets through a woman's radar that the problem will correct itself once perhaps a daughter inherits her dad's looks or the boy inherits his moms temperament in which case both technically should die from old age without finding anyone. Our culture has been breaking down that barrier somewhat, but, the fact that so many women can't find good men or so many men can't find good women - this one I'd have to say, while I think its 2/3 cultural blunder (ie. men aren't allowed to be masculine, women aren't allowed to be feminine), another 1/3 is our natural genetic check tendencies and that the structural/genetic integrity of what's out there is lacking.

Interesting. So the women who claim to find him attractive are also faking it.

Not necessariliy. But I do wonder that if I'm able to see through his act, why can't all the NT women out there? Maybe his voice/what he's saying really matters (still haven't watched with the volume on).

I've encountered that a lot actually; NT people (women too) who are considered really nice/friendly, but I can tell they're faking it (or at least I get really conflicting facial signs)... others don't seem to be able to... or maybe you're supposed to judge people on who they try to be, rather than what they really are? It might be a bit fake but I guess if that is the case, it does allow people to change and try to become better.

But yeah, maybe some of them are faking it. If I liked this guy, say because of the 'aw, look he's trying to act tough' factor, I wouldn't dare tell him it was because of that- I'd keep on pretending that I genuinely thought he was confident (well, I wouldn't... but if I was smart I would )...

Or maybe he just gets stage-fright

I just got out of watching crappy PUA videos and 'depussification' garbage sorry I am full up on that.

>>LIsten to courage wolf if you want to become a real man and not just some mediocre manifestation of all those metrosexual womenly impulses nature installed in our brains

lol.

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[quote="techstepgenr8tion"]The only thing that bothered me about the whole video was the right of passage issue. How many of you - here - have been through things of that calibre, once, even several times, and you're still at square one? Even with emotional maturity? Its as if, when you become a man, and there's nowhere to go from that point or nothing for that internal skillset to grab onto, or perhaps you don't visually 'look' masculine and the world around (ie. you look nimbish or perhaps 5 or 10 years younger than you are) you simply will not be allowed that recognition, its not like you revert but its like you accept, say, sitting on the computer playing video games once in a while or doing things that are technically boyish but under an adult context or believing that its asinine to judge it - like the notion that when one gets older its immature not to switch to classic rock or easy listening, it seems asinine but.... evolution's perhaps about as logical and commonsensical as an avalanche or a lava flow - there's simply no reasoning with instinct, just like there's no reasoning with stupidity.

He also forgot to mention - right of passage, lets say with the circumcision example - what do they do with the guys who wince when it happens? This is supposed to be a genetic quality check as well, otherwise no one would fail. I would figure that plenty of guys, and women, who are alive technically aren't supposed to be. Sexual interaction as well is nature's quality check. Men are physical health and appearance inspectors/analysts, women are neurological health and instinct inspectors/analysts, and I think its generally figured that if an attractive woman with crap instincts gets through a radar because he's looks based or an unattractive guy with good instincts gets through a woman's radar that the problem will correct itself once perhaps a daughter inherits her dad's looks or the boy inherits his moms temperament in which case both technically should die from old age without finding anyone. Our culture has been breaking down that barrier somewhat, but, the fact that so many women can't find good men or so many men can't find good women - this one I'd have to say, while I think its 2/3 cultural blunder (ie. men aren't allowed to be masculine, women aren't allowed to be feminine), another 1/3 is our natural genetic check tendencies and that the structural/genetic integrity of what's out there is lacking.[/quote

I think you missed the point of the circumcision exercise. I think the point was not that it is possible or impossible to physically not flinch or blink, but that when the question was asked to the boy, his "heart" and willingness to accept meant he was ready to mature, as opposed to a boy who was scared and completely rejected. Of course the boy who accepts is scared, but it is their heart to go forward, is the step to maturation.

.There is more to the lecture, he sells the audio books on his website, but you can easily find it on Torrents. Yes the guy wants to make money, because that's what he does, but I really think this is cool stuff. I want to be a man. I don't want to be stuck with the same immature-ish mindsets that are holding me back. If this seems fake or phoney, don't worry about it.

My argument is that I think he's generally right about the problems we're seeing in today's society but, I think the right of passage issue is just a surface layer. I agree with him that attraction is not a choice, that a big part of society's problem comes from what's happening to gender both ways (men told not to be masculine, women told not to be feminine), just that I don't think that this type of 'right of passage' that he's suggesting, even if its something that anyone could pass who was dragged into it, could resolve - just based on how cushy and odd our day to day environment has become. Any wisening or maturing experience tends to atrophy for most people rather quickly and environment draws them back to that sort of 'childhood' if they have nothing for that newly formed masculinity to grab onto. IMO its not enough, its not to say that I'd be in favor of outdoing that trauma, more like our society really needs to take a much closer look at psychological health in terms of gender, see what tools and nurturing can be given to both men and women to make them great at their own core natures. The big answer, IMO, is end victimhood culture, get men and women both understood much more lucidly, and give both what they need to be their best in a way that can consistently staple itself to our present culture on a daily basis.

good point Techgen. Yes I agree killing a lion with a spear in our society isnt necessary.(and we don't have enough lions to go around like that)

But there are more modern ways of going about that. Yes I agree with you in that I think society should re-consider what message media and film are portraying, and what they are teaching out grade-schools, because its obviously failing.

I think average guys are making it out "ok", because they are for most part NT, and still mature, but even they are still falling behind.

I think the problem is that since those average NT guys are falling behind, guys with AS or some childhood emotional issues or some trauma, or more feminine characteristics, are REALLY FAR behind.

But for the time our lives are our responsibility. Like it has been said on here before, self-confidence is a personal choice. You have to find it for yourself. YES I HATE THAT advice because it won't make sense.

In fact most advice even if it is kinda true, is just bull. Most people who give advice are as*holes in my opinion. We shouldn't need advice based off of some half-truth or popular saying or modern slang. This guy DeAngelo is not giving advice here. He is talking about a path or you can take or stay the same. Its just a bit confusing because well its 2011, and we don't like in the jungles anymore, but it is still there.

I honestly did not expect many people here to actually watch the videos, and I thought most people would dismiss it and have reasons for bias against. The irony is that if you watch the videos, and hear his message, he explains as to why that is, and why that prevents someone from maturing.

The circumcision was just about the boy having the courage to say yes even though he was scared. That showed that he was willing to push his fears out and face them, the qualities the tribesman were looking for so he could lead them, hunt, and fight to carry on their way of life when they grew old.

What's worse - their genetic instructions are better. Hence why they have a healthier animal side while we tend to have a very healthy 'human' side but something closed to a failed animal side (not true of all of us of course, there are some very virile aspies, but, like with anyone, we see that its coding for the most part that sets our center point - a hereditarily macho guy can only hold a metro act for so long, he'd never become it, just like hereditarily metro guy won't be able to hold machisimo up for long, the second he has to stop and take a breath he's close to being at square one).

IMO there may not be any answer for many people, natural selection is what it is for a reason.


Self-confidence (in an earned sense where someone goes from not having it to having it) is a combination of drive and tools. If one has the ability to invest in themselves and life has put them through the right ordeals where the right buttons in their motivational core are pushed - its on. The right buttons need to be pushed through or at least be there waiting to be pushed. I consider myself one of the very lucky in that I am the later and I found out through most of my childhood, just like I couldn't toughen up or really dedicate myself to getting good at certain things, as an adult certain things shifted and now the process itself in self-improvement endeavors is something like a free medicine with no side effects aside from good health. Knowing how to love the process and accept being at the bottom of the hill to climb it is something that not everyone can do, at least in any given point in their life.


Culture is a thinking dynamic, evolution and instinct are much the opposite. That's why rationality on one level or another won't change it, only thousands of years of selective breeding. The best way we can deal with it, obviously, is acknowledge this in society, take it for what it is, and build our society with that tidbit about ourselves in mind and accounted for. As for mind over matter no such separation exists, its practical on some levels but imaginary (whether or not one believes in a soul would be aside from the point even).


And we still have a gender antagonistic culture. Until that changes and both genders want accuracy and clarity on each other it won't improve much. As of now its still a matter of holding cards, even though those cards are held at the public's own expense.

I think that's exactly what it is. One of our most merciless instinct is applying identity to the face, to mannerisms, and core biology, and lashing out by nature at those who seem unpleasant or odd - whether they've earned it or not. In that sense I think everyone realizes that they have a dark side and they prefer to give credit to those who really mean to transcend these things rather than those who are perhaps just using it as a ploy. If you really think about it though its quite unethical and even callow to hold someone to their presence as its not their fault (socially at least). I've been learning the hard way about what its like to be on the receiving end of that for most of my life so its an issue that hits close to home.