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22 Jun 2011, 12:56 pm

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Where are all the men.....who complain about their AS wives?

Do they just not care as much about our oddities as the women who marry men with AS, or do a large number of women with AS just not marry?

I'm curious about this.


I had ex-long term partners complain about my oddities. It just wasn't on a public forum, thank God. Either my 'quirks' are exceptionally awful or the idea that men are more accepting of their partners than women is a huge, sweeping generalization. Probably a little bit of both, lol.



Did those oddities contribute in causing the break-up in any way?


Yes, in one case, he was a very outgoing uber-NT and would become upset that I tended to avoid going out with him. I'm more of a laid-back homebody type and it drove him crazy. As it turns out, some guys are not happy with a girl who is cool with giving people their space and likes to cook and tend to the garden while they go out and party with their friends. I thought that as long as I didn't nag him about going out and gave him plenty of freedom, it wasn't a big deal, but apparently it was with him and he wanted us to share that sort of stuff together.


The problem you described is more related to total incompatibility due to opposite personalities/lifestyle more than little oddities here and there, this was a rooted problem :-/.



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22 Jun 2011, 2:07 pm

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What Boo and Cockney said.

Women are typically more demanding of their partners, 75% of divorces are initiated by women.


You know what, though? We typically make all the dentist appointments, too.


:lol:

You've got a point.



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22 Jun 2011, 2:30 pm

I think you don't get AS men complaining about AS wives because we're just happy we have a woman at all...



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22 Jun 2011, 2:42 pm

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I don't think tolerance has much to do with it. In my experience, men tend not to complain about their partners unless they feel completely at ease. This means either a forum specifically for that purpose where women aren't found, or a buddy that is also attached and is likely to understand what he's saying.

I don't imagine this sub-forum puts men at ease.

bingo.

i disagree that men are more tolerant. they have different ways of coping. they may be less likely to file for divorce, but they are way more likely to have an affair, for example.


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22 Jun 2011, 2:46 pm

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I don't think tolerance has much to do with it. In my experience, men tend not to complain about their partners unless they feel completely at ease. This means either a forum specifically for that purpose where women aren't found, or a buddy that is also attached and is likely to understand what he's saying.

I don't imagine this sub-forum puts men at ease.

bingo.

but they are way more likely to have an affair, for example.


:hmph:

Proof?



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22 Jun 2011, 2:51 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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I don't think tolerance has much to do with it. In my experience, men tend not to complain about their partners unless they feel completely at ease. This means either a forum specifically for that purpose where women aren't found, or a buddy that is also attached and is likely to understand what he's saying.

I don't imagine this sub-forum puts men at ease.

bingo.

i disagree that men are more tolerant. they have different ways of coping. they may be less likely to file for divorce, but they are way more likely to have an affair, for example.


Hm... I'm not so sure about that one. Sure, men and women often have different ways of coping but I have a hard time believing statistics for affairs are really all that accurate.


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22 Jun 2011, 2:54 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I don't think tolerance has much to do with it. In my experience, men tend not to complain about their partners unless they feel completely at ease. This means either a forum specifically for that purpose where women aren't found, or a buddy that is also attached and is likely to understand what he's saying.

I don't imagine this sub-forum puts men at ease.

bingo.

but they are way more likely to have an affair, for example.


:hmph:

Proof?

quoted freom the mighty wikipedia (original source also noted):

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In a recent survey of 16,000 university students in 53 countries, 20% of long term relationships began when one or both partners were involved with someone else.[5] Studies suggest around 30–40% of dating relationships and 18–20% of marriages are marked by at least one incident of sexual infidelity. Men are more likely than women to have a sexual affair, regardless of whether or not they are in a married or dating relationship.[2]

Close encounters: Communication in relationships.Guerrero , L.K. , Anderson, P.A. , & Afifi, W.A. (2007).Sage Publications.

the fact is that often men and women sometimes have different ways of dealing with problems. men may be more likely to internalize (suppress) the issues, which then come out in other ways. women can be more likely to externalize the issues, which means they may ask for advice, get therapy, seek a divorce. i don't know if these are social differences or not, but there are patterns there.


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22 Jun 2011, 2:56 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
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I don't think tolerance has much to do with it. In my experience, men tend not to complain about their partners unless they feel completely at ease. This means either a forum specifically for that purpose where women aren't found, or a buddy that is also attached and is likely to understand what he's saying.

I don't imagine this sub-forum puts men at ease.

bingo.

i disagree that men are more tolerant. they have different ways of coping. they may be less likely to file for divorce, but they are way more likely to have an affair, for example.


Hm... I'm not so sure about that one. Sure, men and women often have different ways of coping but I have a hard time believing statistics for affairs are really all that accurate.

well, that's up to you if you want to believe it or not, but all we have is published research. anything can be doubted, but it is far harder to actually build a legitimate case against it.


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22 Jun 2011, 2:57 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

there are no published sources given, so yes... it sounds made up.


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22 Jun 2011, 3:00 pm

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well, that's up to you if you want to believe it or not, but all we have is published research. anything can be doubted, but it is far harder to actually build a legitimate case against it.


Reason dictates not everyone that has an affair is included in the statistics for a variety of reasons. Not the least of which is the fact that women are less likely to be caught.

I do believe men's tendency to cheat is largely cultural, though. For women, I would imagine the tendency comes more from an emotional place, though still the result of societal construct.

Meh... I'm going around in circles and my head hurts. lol Imma shut up now. :P


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22 Jun 2011, 3:02 pm

Well, WP obviously shows that women are more likely to nag about their AS partners' quirks than the other way around, hence Chronos made this thread.

And I don't think it's because of the ease thing, why would they not be at ease here? are they afraid from women here? I don't get it.

Many men posted worse things here than complaining about their women's quirks.



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22 Jun 2011, 3:14 pm

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Well, WP obviously shows that women are more likely to nag about their AS partners' quirks than the other way around, hence Chronos made this thread.

And I don't think it's because of the ease thing, why would they not be at ease here? are they afraid from women here? I don't get it.

Many men posted worse things here than complaining about their women's quirks.

there are not very many NT men on the site

it seems likely that many men are less inclined to publicly discuss their relationships

some men are also less likely to ask for advice in any area

there are fewer aspie women in existence, and a lot of them are not diagnosed until after they have been through some massive problems in relationships etc.

p.s. when you use a word like "nagging" it reinforces the idea that it is a female tendency to seek advice or complain publicly, as our society has decided that females "nag" and not males. so maybe you answered the question right there.


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22 Jun 2011, 3:36 pm

After reviewing all of your replies, I am leaning towards the explanation that men (NT men) are just less likely to complain. At least on online forums.

I'm now curious if these NT men of AS wives are more likely to have affairs.



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22 Jun 2011, 3:48 pm

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p.s. when you use a word like "nagging" it reinforces the idea that it is a female tendency to seek advice or complain publicly, as our society has decided that females "nag" and not males. so maybe you answered the question right there.


Are they more likely to nag (or seek advice/ complain publicly) because they're less tolerant toward quirks or just because they just more likely ....to nag? lol



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22 Jun 2011, 4:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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p.s. when you use a word like "nagging" it reinforces the idea that it is a female tendency to seek advice or complain publicly, as our society has decided that females "nag" and not males. so maybe you answered the question right there.


Are they more likely to nag (or seek advice/ complain publicly) because they're less tolerant toward quirks or just because they just more likely ....to nag? lol


More likely to externalize the struggles.


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