Trouble saying no
No, it isn't. For instance, there are some women that I certainly would sleep with but there are also others that give me the creeps, even though they would in all likelihood sleep with me I wouldn't want to go anywhere near.
You might feel that way about guys - in that there are some you might sleep with without much convincing, some that you might consider sleeping with after an extensive open and honest talk between each other about yours and their feelings (note: this does not mean being pressurised or coerced!) and those you'd never sleep with willingly under any circumstances.
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No, it isn't. For instance, there are some women that I certainly would sleep with but there are also others that give me the creeps, even though they would in all likelihood sleep with me I wouldn't want to go anywhere near.
You might feel that way about guys - in that there are some you might sleep with without much convincing, some that you might consider sleeping with after an extensive open and honest talk between each other about yours and their feelings (note: this does not mean being pressurised or coerced!) and those you'd never sleep with willingly under any circumstances.
I dont know what it would take for me to want willingly to have sex with someone...probably someone with the patience of a saint. I have always wondered why these women that their husbands wont have sex with them, make such a big deal about it like it will be the end of the world if he does not have sex with her.
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A friend told me he liked me and kept pushing, even though I told him I wasn't interested. I eventually ended up in bed with him because, well, I figured since he wanted it I ought to give it a try. I knew all the time that it wasn't a good idea, and that I didn't really want it, but it didn't help. It's like I'm so eager to please people and make them like me that I just follow along, not taking in the consequences.
Most people will take advantage of others if others let them. Not necessarily because they have the intention to do so, but because they have no reason to believe they are crossing a person's boundaries if the person does not clearly indicate this to them.
It's not fair of you not to clearly define your boundaries to others, and it's not fair to yourself to let people violate those boundaries just because you want to please them. Why should you have more of an obligation to please others than they have to please you and why do you want to please those who don't respect you?
People are actually more likely to like those who can say no, define their boundaries clearly and stand up to them.
I've read through, and I really did like what you had to say about this. I wish I would have took heed to advice like this when I was younger....
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Wo. I would NOT end up in bed with someone. However, this one guy keeps pressuring me on FB to meet him and after some good advice, I have been able to say no. It's hard to reject people because you feel bad but you aren't doing something bad. It's not like you are insulting them, it is that the situation didn't work out for whatever reason.
A thought!
No = the situation didn't(doesn't) work out for whatever reason
As long as it's a valid reason, then you are fine telling them no.
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Go die in a ditch if you're a b*tch, if you're a jerk, go to work, if you're just mean, flee the scene, and if you're rude, go ahead and intrude because you're probably just like me.
This is called Codependency. It's a personality trait that causes you to act in overly passive or caretaking ways which negatively harm relationships of many kinds, ranging from mother to child relationships, to wife and husband relationships.
At its core, Codependency is an issue involving personal evaluation of yourself, and involving low self-esteem. A codependent person will base their self worth, consciously or unconsciously, on what they mean to an individual. Some people with codependency will have sex with others to reaffirm their worth to individuals around them, others will put the needs of others, monetary emotional or just personal, in front of their own needs.
Your inability to say no likely stems a little bit from this, but it could also be from just low self worth in general. No means no. If your friend didn't get this, and I mean this as nicely as I can possibly say it, he needs to go jump off a cliff. In certain particular subcultures and societal-philosophical doctrines, you were raped. Sex, in any sense of the word, should be completely consensual. To pressure another person to have sex is /wrong/
One important thing to note: codependency is a two way street. It's the person who is codependent that is the one with the personality flaw, this is true. But individuals who take advantage of this codependency (like your "friend" did) also /encourage/ said codependency by fueling those needs to feel accepted. This person is not your friend. This person is a sexual assailant, and you need to recognize that as such. You kept on saying no, and he did not stop. What does that say about how he values your emotions, privacy and own needs?
Think about it.
But I didn't say no right then. I told him before that I wasn't interested in him that way and that I just wanted a friend, but right when it happened I couldn't say anything, just passively let him do what he wanted. I wasn't made to do anything, but I didn't do anything because I wanted it but because he wanted it.
I just posted this in love and dating:
"My roommate is 20 years old. His social worker/psych seems to believe that because he is Aspie, he is easily manipulated and therefore unable to be competent to consent to sexual activity. He was involved sexually with someone when he was 19 years old and now the social worker is trying to convince him that he was exploited/abused. This guy is a very strong willed person who can EASILY make decisions/say NO/say YES, etc. He's very well educated about sex and issues connected to sex such as sexual health, drama/emotions, boundary communication, etc.
Has anyone here ever been told they are NOT competent to make their own sexual decisions or have consensual sex? There are all these laws protecting persons with developmental disability from sexual exploitation/abuse and all the research on line talks about mental retardation but I can't find any laws on the books regarding Asperger's.
My roommate is concerned his social worker/psych will somehow disallow him from having any kind of sexual/romantic relationships in the future and will constantly be accusing any of his future dates/lovers/partners of exploitation and abuse.
Thanks."
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It's CRUCIAL that Aspies/Auties keep their boundaries FIRM and do not consent to sex they actually don't want to have. Don't "PEOPLE PLEASE," don't have sex because you "owe" it to the other person or want the other person to feel happy, etc... don't do it unless you are 100% self-convinced that you desire the sexual interaction and won't regret it later.
This people pleasing is why social workers, psychs, and the legal system don't trust that aspies/auties are COMPETENT to make decisions about their sexuality and why their partners could be legally charged with sexual abuse.
This is true. It's seen as quite a bit easier for men but if you don't want sex, you have to say so and, more importantly, mean what you say.
Yes. Not only that though is that you run the risk of them wanting sex with you again and again and doing more and more extreme or bizarre things, or falling in love with you and wanting a relationship with you too. Basically, you're likely to make the situation a good deal worse for yourself than you would be if you were just honest with the person and ended this there and then.
Tequila, you probably don't want to hear this, but I like you a lot better when you haven't been drinking. I had been wondering about you, because many times you post very wise and intelligent things. And other times you post pure crap. So I was having trouble understanding this. I even seriously wondered if there were two different people using your account.
But now I think I get what's happening.
Sorry to get off topic.
I think a lot of women have done this, in one way or another. There are times when we are particularly vulnerable, like just after a divorce for instance, when we're not sure of our own self-worth, so we try to get it from men. It's not the men's fault ... they just want to get laid. I don't blame them. But in the long run, you can't get self-worth from someone else.
I post a lot of crap when I'm sober too. And having a go at someone who likes a drink generally isn't a wise idea at the moment - one gets enough crap from other people without it coming out on here. A lot of it reflects my very real fears. You're better off letting me work this out for myself.
(Sober at the moment - not drinking tonight, giving my body a bit of a rest.)
I post a lot of crap when I'm sober too. And having a go at someone who likes a drink generally isn't a wise idea at the moment - one gets enough crap from other people without it coming out on here. A lot of it reflects my very real fears. You're better off letting me work this out for myself.
I wasn't "having a go" at you. If that's all you saw, then I'm sorry I said anything. I was simply making the point that you're much more appealing when you're Tequlia #1 instead of Tequila #2. But it's none of my business what you do. I'll shut up now.
No, it's OK, you're fine. But as long as you understand that you might be seeing Tequila 2 when it might actually be Tequila 1. Sometimes I just like the wind-up.
I only advise against 'advising' those who drink because it's counter-productive. I know I have a problem and I don't know how to fix it yet. The drinking isn't the issue, it's the attitude I take with me.