Seeking Arrangement: College Students Using 'Sugar Daddies'

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10 Aug 2011, 5:30 pm

Why does it matter if people do this? It's two consenting adults. It doesn't affect you. Unless you're sour grapes that they don't want you instead.



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10 Aug 2011, 10:23 pm

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Why does it matter if people do this? It's two consenting adults. It doesn't affect you. Unless you're sour grapes that they don't want you instead.


You have a point. Honestly both parties are happy, so it seems like a win win arrangement.

I would never date the Wall Street type independent of age, salary, looks, etc. They are just too high stress, high energy, overly competitive, and generally intense.
Ahhh, headache just thinking about it.


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11 Aug 2011, 3:15 am

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I'd been wondering how the rise in female university students could be explained in the current economy ... now I know.


Yeah, I think it's also the fact that females tend to be more mature and better suited to the school system.

Please provide links to a few fair and independent studies that support your sexist propaganda.

It may also be explained away by claiming that the education systems have been "feminized" to the point that males have a difficult time learning in an environment that focuses on the way female learn and ignores the learning needs of males. The claim could also be made that this trend correlates well with the rise in males being diagnosed with ADD, ADHD, AS, and a host of other behavioral and cognitive "disorders".


I agree, in part, with that assessment. The fact that most people interested in teaching seem to be women has changed the school system. Stuff like group work and essays is just not really very good for boys. We're better at "normal" learning.

But, still, based on my experiences at university and high school, girls are generally simply better students. They are more serious and easier to work together with because they plan better. It might be that this is only true in the Netherlands or even only true in my university, but it's still something I've observed.


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11 Aug 2011, 4:58 am

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Sometimes I wish I had more money too, but honestly, why would I want to do this even if I did have money? The "sugar baby" wouldn't actually want me, and her loyalty would only extend as far as my wallet. I for one don't want to turn into a selfish uncaring monster...


All these women would do is turn their emotional side off. It's just business and must stay that way.

I can see the less emotionally-tough ones becoming unstuck, mind.



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11 Aug 2011, 6:47 am

I think I can sum up all the this OP's posts by saying:

IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, WOMEN WALK AROUND FREELY WITH VAGINAS! ISN'T THAT AWFUL!

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11 Aug 2011, 7:26 am

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The "sugar baby" wouldn't actually want me, and her loyalty would only extend as far as my wallet. I for one don't want to turn into a selfish uncaring monster...

All these women would do is turn their emotional side off. It's just business and must stay that way.

All romantic relationships are "just business", even traditional (non-sugar daddy) ones. The difference is that instead of paying in cash and lavish outings, the guy/man pays in romance. This refers to things like compliments, gifts, candlelit dinners, thoughtful acts, etc. He, in turn, collects the sex and other pleasurable physical acts. "But it's more than that!", you might say. How so? If the girl never had sex with him, would the guy (unless he's asexual) still date her? If the guy never did anything romantic, would the girl date him? 'Nuff said.

Long story short, all romantic relationships are just a business arrangement, only instead of paying in cash like sugar daddies, the guy/man pays in romance.



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11 Aug 2011, 8:48 am

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All romantic relationships are "just business", even traditional (non-sugar daddy) ones. The difference is that instead of paying in cash and lavish outings, the guy/man pays in romance. This refers to things like compliments, gifts, candlelit dinners, thoughtful acts, etc. He, in turn, collects the sex and other pleasurable physical acts. "But it's more than that!", you might say. How so? If the girl never had sex with him, would the guy (unless he's asexual) still date her? If the guy never did anything romantic, would the girl date him? 'Nuff said.

Long story short, all romantic relationships are just a business arrangement, only instead of paying in cash like sugar daddies, the guy/man pays in romance.


Having children is a business arrangement, too. Having brothers and sisters is a business arrangement. Having a dog is a business arrangement. Breathing is a business arrangement. Taking a poop is a business arrangement. A business arrangement is a business arrangement.

The only things that a monogamous mutually equitable emotional relationship between two consenting adults has in common with an emotionless relationship with financial and physical terms outlined clearly between two consenting adults is that they both involve two consenting adults that they both are a matter of two people meeting each other's needs. When you consider the meeting of each other's needs to be the only qualification for what makes a business arrangement, you've just classified every relationship and interaction on earth as a business arrangement except in rare cases where one individual receives no benefit (not even the satisfaction of sacrificing for another) from the interaction.

So let's not get carried away.

And, by the way, the parade that I deserve for not tearing Aspie1 a new one for degrading all women into whores starts a mile down the road over there and commences at noon. Thank you.



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11 Aug 2011, 8:56 am

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And, by the way, the parade that I deserve for not tearing Aspie1 a new one for degrading all women into whores starts a mile down the road over there and commences at noon. Thank you.


I would like to be on one end of the banner, carrying, please.



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11 Aug 2011, 9:02 am

wefunction wrote:
Aspie1 wrote:
All romantic relationships are "just business", even traditional (non-sugar daddy) ones. The difference is that instead of paying in cash and lavish outings, the guy/man pays in romance. This refers to things like compliments, gifts, candlelit dinners, thoughtful acts, etc. He, in turn, collects the sex and other pleasurable physical acts. "But it's more than that!", you might say. How so? If the girl never had sex with him, would the guy (unless he's asexual) still date her? If the guy never did anything romantic, would the girl date him? 'Nuff said.

Long story short, all romantic relationships are just a business arrangement, only instead of paying in cash like sugar daddies, the guy/man pays in romance.


Having children is a business arrangement, too. Having brothers and sisters is a business arrangement. Having a dog is a business arrangement. Breathing is a business arrangement. Taking a poop is a business arrangement. A business arrangement is a business arrangement.

The only things that a monogamous mutually equitable emotional relationship between two consenting adults has in common with an emotionless relationship with financial and physical terms outlined clearly between two consenting adults is that they both involve two consenting adults that they both are a matter of two people meeting each other's needs. When you consider the meeting of each other's needs to be the only qualification for what makes a business arrangement, you've just classified every relationship and interaction on earth as a business arrangement except in rare cases where one individual receives no benefit (not even the satisfaction of sacrificing for another) from the interaction.

So let's not get carried away.

And, by the way, the parade that I deserve for not tearing Aspie1 a new one for degrading all women into whores starts a mile down the road over there and commences at noon. Thank you.

I think Aspie1 made a great point that all relationships are business relationships in a way so I fail to comprehend why the one mentioned in this thread is considered taboo for being an obvious business arrangement. As long as it works for both the people involved; that's what counts. Society is to damned judgmental, intolerant & closed-minded sometimes


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11 Aug 2011, 9:09 am

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I think Aspie1 made a great point that all relationships are business relationships in a way so I fail to comprehend why the one mentioned in this thread is considered taboo for being an obvious business arrangement


The flaw in Aspie1's post is that he took off on a tangent about romantic relationships being nothing more than women demanding romance and gifts as payment for sex. If you feel that is logical, allow me to present some additional mind-teasers for you:

A romantic relationship is a banana. There's stuff we see on the outside and there's stuff on the inside. It grows. And people can have them. All romantic relationships are bananas.

A romantic relationship is a television. We watch what's on it and it can be turned off and on. We can love it or become bored with it. All romantic relationships are televisions.

You can't do this and call it rational.



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11 Aug 2011, 4:57 pm

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A romantic relationship is a banana. There's stuff we see on the outside and there's stuff on the inside. It grows. And people can have them. All romantic relationships are bananas.

A romantic relationship is a television. We watch what's on it and it can be turned off and on. We can love it or become bored with it. All romantic relationships are televisions.


This post makes me want to have a relationship. Anything which is both a banana and a television must be awesome.


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11 Aug 2011, 5:52 pm

Oh come on.... Don't tell me you guidos don't strutt yourself for those old rich moguls.


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Those sunglasses, sun tans, hair styles, eye brow waxings, clothes and bling-bling got to be like what? 10 grand or more?


And I bet they get a papa john's for free. Shameful. Image


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11 Aug 2011, 5:53 pm

Artros wrote:
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A romantic relationship is a banana. There's stuff we see on the outside and there's stuff on the inside. It grows. And people can have them. All romantic relationships are bananas.

A romantic relationship is a television. We watch what's on it and it can be turned off and on. We can love it or become bored with it. All romantic relationships are televisions.


This post makes me want to have a relationship. Anything which is both a banana and a television must be awesome.


Don't forget that bananas and televisions are business arrangements.



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11 Aug 2011, 7:36 pm

wefunction wrote:
I think I can sum up all the this OP's posts by saying:

IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, WOMEN WALK AROUND FREELY WITH VAGINAS! ISN'T THAT AWFUL!

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You completely missed the point of why I posted the article...



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11 Aug 2011, 8:28 pm

RICKY5 wrote:
wefunction wrote:
I think I can sum up all the this OP's posts by saying:

IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, WOMEN WALK AROUND FREELY WITH VAGINAS! ISN'T THAT AWFUL!

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You completely missed the point of why I posted the article...

Is it that it's awful for guys because they waste their hard earned money on women due to feeling a strong urge to have sex :? What was the point of this :?:


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11 Aug 2011, 11:16 pm

(sigh) This is to be expected, especially in our economic times. Even when the economy is strong, there will always be those who will sell their bodies for money. Prostitution (which is basically what 'Sugar daddies and babies' is) is one of the oldest 'professions' in human history, due to societal gender constructs. To me, though, this is just yet another way that the rich exploit the poor. College education is not entirely covered by the government, so people have to pay for it with grants, loans, etc. Lots of people can't even afford to go to college and thus repeat a generational cycle of having lousy jobs and remaining poor. Most who can have some form of debt, some larger then others depending on their family's prior economic status, what school they go to, and other factors. Even if one obtains a degree, it does not grantee a job, hence 'Sugar Babies'. Meanwhile, the rich 'Sugar Daddies' sit around in luxury and can afford the girls' 'services'. I could go on and on about why capitalism is evil and corrupt, but so is this 'Sugar Babies' business. I can understand a girl's reasons for wanting/needing to do this, but at the same time, I don't sympathesize. During the 'transaction', she is not only selling her body, but her human dignity as well and I hold such individuals in low regard. This wouldn't be an issue if college were free or at least reduced in cost where is was affordable to the common man (or woman in this case) but that's not going to happen. This is just another sad and pathetic aspect of American society.