I don't care if people call me a "misogynist"
Well, there are certain situations where being one's self is such a problem for them that they really have no other reasonable choice but to change (within reason) to start towards a more tolerable state of existence.
I'm certainly not the same person I was ten years ago; I'm not even the same person I was five years ago, or even three. Even one, for that matter. I've changed. Because I saw things in myself and in my life that I didn't like, knew I could change, and then went about changing them. Not over night, though, for sure. But over a period months and even years. I changed because I realized what other people didn't like about me, and in turn I came to not like about me, and decided to try to change myself, little by little. To put in the extra effort to be a little more positive, politer, more social individual.
I'm still not there yet, and I highly doubt I ever will be; but I'm trying, and that's what counts, right? Because all we can ever really do is try.
yes. people even change without intending to, all the time. the OP supposedly changed from a persion who doesn't hate the world into someone who does.
i don't see how holding onto negativity, bad habits, or self-detrimental behaviour is a good way to live by any stretch of the imagination. it makes more sense to select advantageous ways in which to change and to make that change voluntarily, instead of spewing anger and hate and stewing in bitterness.
blaming and hating on others doesn't change the situation and it doesn't change those other people either. it's like stabbing yourself over and over in front of a crowd and expecting them to feel the pain of those cuts.
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you should work on that or just do not come to forum if you are going to start calling everyone a troll.
people come to this forum to feel accepted and understood by people with similar issues and being called troll by someone unknown like you, is not something we should experience.
and I disagree with sacrip. I don't think its HIM that needs to change. and I personally think of sacrip as someone who believes that Aspies are the ones who need to change their ways to deal with the NTs.
Because I personally believe it's "people" that need to change whatever their evil, violent, selfish, ignorant ways of perciving things, judging things, categorizing things and doing things.
that's like saying people with Bright minds need to change their ways so that they can function with less bright minds in ordinary ways.
I would never tell Aspies or anyone who feels like this poster that it's YOU that need to change.
it's just matter of finding a person who accepts you for who you are.
and Never ever believe it when someone tells you its YOU that has a problem.
Because People who know the truth and the ones who speak the truth are truly rare in this life.
so of course if you tell the truth of what you know, you will be shunned and misunderstood by the general public. and General public do not like to face the truth nor do they even want to understand the truth about life??
its them that want to exist in ignorance and start calling everyone a CRAZY person.
As for being rejected by women, it's woman's job to reject every single men in order to protect themselves and in order to find the devoted and persistent men. that's how they go about finding the "REAL" one who is interested in something serious.
so it's not you that has experienced this with women but in fact, majority of men including the super stars have experienced the exactly the same stuff you are talking about. it's just that Most men do not want to admit it publically.
and its perfectly understanable to dislike most people. because most people are insecure, self-centered, ignorant, impatient, judgemental, filled with hatred etc.
I can't say I am so much better than them because I am a human being with issues afterall.
but I feel rightful by asserting that Most human beings are extremely selfish and Do no deserve to be Saved by GOD or Do they deserve to end up in such a place like "heaven".
and they certainly do not deserve your unconditional love.
although it's rare but there are often few human beings who truly cherish human lives and practice love in everything they do.
so you are doing the right thing by not necessarily changing your ways to adapt to their ways but by being extremely selective about whom you want to give your trust and unconditional love and avoid the ones who will eventually cause conflict and troubles in further down the road.
I am a misanthrope myself but I treat everyone equally and fairly.
I second that. That's why I don't call people trolls. I might express some opinions that the person might disagree with, but I don't call members trolls.
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Every women, whether on-line or in real life, has treated me like dirt.
Well, I could certainly hold my own in a "who's been treated the worst by women" contest, but it hasn't made me a misogynist, mostly because I know so many awesome women non-romantically. Have you ever tried to have female friends?
Sure....I don't have much of a sex drive (at least not anymore), so companionship is what I really want. I was trying to be friends with a girl on here and we were for awhile, but she stopped talking to me once she saw how ugly I was.
Sure....I don't have much of a sex drive (at least not anymore), so companionship is what I really want. I was trying to be friends with a girl on here and we were for awhile, but she stopped talking to me once she saw how ugly I was.
Why would she care about your appearance if you were just friends? It probably wasn't that. I'm not exactly Cary Grant myself, but my female friends don't seem to mind.
Look, I'm in the exact same boat as you, romantically speaking, but at least I don't have to live with the spirit-crushing baggage of disliking half the human race...
Sure....I don't have much of a sex drive (at least not anymore), so companionship is what I really want. I was trying to be friends with a girl on here and we were for awhile, but she stopped talking to me once she saw how ugly I was.
Why would she care about your appearance if you were just friends?.
You would have to ask her that question....maybe it's because I said she was beautiful, but again, you'd have to ask her. Sure seems like an awfully big coincidence...
Sure....I don't have much of a sex drive (at least not anymore), so companionship is what I really want. I was trying to be friends with a girl on here and we were for awhile, but she stopped talking to me once she saw how ugly I was.
Why would she care about your appearance if you were just friends?.
You would have to ask her that question....maybe it's because I said she was beautiful, but again, you'd have to ask her. Sure seems like an awfully big coincidence...
I'll bet it was because you called her "beautiful" - if they think you're hitting on them, whether you actually are or not, they will usually take off like a bat out of hell. Make a conscious effort not to say things like that, even if it's just a sincere compliment...
I don't think that it's fair to say that it is impossible to go from being a person that is open to other people and likes others in general to a person who is negative towards people. Life experiences can make a person jaded. Life is tough, especiall for an aspie who can't understand social nuances and what in the world they are doing that is offensive or a " bit off" to other people. A person can get so bewlidered by this that they get hurt and hurt and hurt again and feel nothing but pain.
Isolating oneself can at first seem like the best solution, afterall, when alone there is no one to offend or tell you that you aren't behaving correctly. But then one gets so caught up in their own thoughts that it's like a trap that's really, really difficult to get out of. Your whole world revolves around you, and logically so, because you are the only person in your life in your world, so there is only you to think about. Then thoughts get darker and darker and life gets harder and harder to cope with. And loneliness sets in. It's a big black hole and it seems like there is no escape... but there is escape.
I agree with what others have said about the OP getting some professional help. This sounds like a serious case of depression. Go and see your doctor. They may be able to offer medication and therapy that might help.
You can get through this. You can be happy. Please don't give up on youself.
Sure....I don't have much of a sex drive (at least not anymore), so companionship is what I really want. I was trying to be friends with a girl on here and we were for awhile, but she stopped talking to me once she saw how ugly I was.
Why would she care about your appearance if you were just friends?.
You would have to ask her that question....maybe it's because I said she was beautiful, but again, you'd have to ask her. Sure seems like an awfully big coincidence...
I'll bet it was because you called her "beautiful" - if they think you're hitting on them, whether you actually are or not, they will usually take off like a bat out of hell. Make a conscious effort not to say things like that, even if it's just a sincere compliment...
My interpretation of these events, from what you've said over the past couple of days, is that you were just chatting as friends, then for whatever reason, it could be because she felt you were wanting more than friendship, or it could be other reasons in her life, she felt unable to continue talking to you.
If you were just interested in friendship then there was no reason for her to stop talking to you because of the photo you sent. I think Grisha may be right, it's quite possible that she felt you wanted more than friendship, and she was not in a suitable situation for that.
There's hundreds of reasons why this could be. People are complicated and are all different. We all have vulnerabilities. Try not assume the worst possible reason. Assuming the worst is no good for you, and does her a disservice.
I know how you feel, wish I could help more but I'm sort of in the same boat. Best advice I can give is to try and accept than not all women are like this. (I know easier said than done, but try.) Sure there is a lot that are, you just need to try harder and find the good ones.
May I ask where you go to meet girls? Certain places seem attract certain types of people. Chances are if you are going to some really hip and trendy bar or club then the girls there will probably be a bit shallow and judgmental.
I can be really cynical toward people at times, but thanks to the internet, I have learned that not everyone one is a complete moron. Take this site for example, I have only been here a short time, but in that time I have came across some really nice, caring, intelligent and interesting women. (purchase and hyperlexian come to mind here just to name two.)
Oh and can we please stop with the unuseful posts calling the op a troll and attacking him? I thought this was supposed to be a support forum. The op is obviously having a tough time and posts like these don't help.
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Every women, whether on-line or in real life, has treated me like dirt.
So SadAspy, you're saying you've met every single female in the world? I hardly think that's the case. It's exponentially impossible.
I happen to be a misanthrope...not so much hateful of all human beings, but I certainly distrust people & their motives. It comes from the way I grew up to my life experiences as an adult. I have been treated like dirt too throughout my years (parents, peers, a sibling, ex-boyfriends, ex-girlfriends, an ex-husband, etc etc etc. But I will never say that I hate/distrust every single human being, because it's not possible. One, there's a language barrier because I don't speak every language spoken on this planet (nor do others all speak English). Two, because I am limited to whom I meet both in person & through the internet. Break my trust, & I move on. But if you treat me well, I'll be loyal for a lifetime.
They're the main cause of the way that I feel about myself today.
I'm 25 and I haven't been on a date or so much as kissed a girl. I'm a lonely, depressed, suicidal, pathetic man that's spent most of the past few years locked in his house, afraid to go outside. Of course I'm going to have an attitude towards certain things or certain people.
I don't really think I'm a misogynist. I mean I would understand being called that if you base your feelings off just one woman rejecting you, shunning you, etc. That's not me. Over the past 14 years, I've basically been shitted on by dozens of women and that's were my feeling or so called "dislike" comes from.
If it makes anyone feel any better I feel almost the same way about men that I do about women.
What do you call a person that just hates people in general?
Believe it or not, I understand a lot of the pain of many of the men here, not because I have some fine tuned empathic abilities, but because as a person with AS, I've struggled socially as well. I haven't experienced the pain of being rejected by girls of women but straight women with AS have their own basket of difficulties on the dating scene to deal with and while they might seem not nearly as bad to men as what they have to deal with, that's only because they aren't as relevant to men; but if you were a woman, they would be just as relevant, frustrating, and difficult for you to deal with as the things you deal with now as a man.
My point is, we are all really in the same boat, so to speak. We all have experience our fair share of hurt, and negative social experiences, and when you come on here and attack "all women", you are also attacking female members with AS who might feel just as low and hurt as you do....a female version of yourself.
Anyway, some social difficulties can be overcome and I might be able to help you address them if you wish but not everyone is up for making certain changes to themselves or their life.
Good points, Chronos. I am also straight. I too have faced rejection (by males & females alike-hetero relationships), & had some horribly painful experiences in my life. But I have learned to be more choosy about who I allow in my life now. It's possible with time to make positive changes. That doesn't mean that I have tons of friends (I don't). I still prefer my own company to others. But when anyone attacks all women just because they are female, it sets them up for more failure.
MR20, why do you think you're alone in this kind of treatment? Lots of people have suffered from the same hurtful experiences you have. You need to stop feeding your anger. At 25, you have a whole life ahead of you, with lots of opportunities. You'd let some bad things that have happened in the past control you for the rest of your life? That's pretty short sighted. Your anger is poisoning your heart & mind. If I were to meet you in person, I would sense your anger. I happen to be able to sense negative emotions. I'd run the other way too, because I don't like being around that kind of negativity. Once you get your anger contained, you might find that there are women out there who have been on the same painful rejection path that you are walking down now. But until you contain & deal with your anger & open your eyes, you'll never see them let alone find them. It's ok to feel the anger, just not let it control who you are. We've all experienced it from time to time. It's what you do with it, & how you react to it that makes the difference.
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