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techstepgenr8tion
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16 Sep 2006, 1:23 am

Yeah, I have seen too many things he'd say women would hate a guy for actually work. Don't get me wrong, I have a friend at work who does this stuff and it works wonders, he's getting chased by 9's and nothing but, unfortunately he has the same problem as us - he's intelligent and while he likes it for the sport he's still single just because, he can't feel a thing with most of em (which sadly is exactly why it probably works so well with him).



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16 Sep 2006, 2:29 am

ELLCIM wrote:
I admitted to her how long it had been since I gathered up enough courage to do what I did, and she was quite flattered that I gathered up the courage to ask her. ... she gave me a big hug afterwards

By telling her that, it probably made her feel sympathy for you. That may or may not be a good thing. It may work well for you, it may work against you, who knows.

For myself, I certainly do not want women feeling sympathy for me. But what applies to me does not necessarily apply to another person.



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16 Sep 2006, 9:14 pm

emp wrote:
ELLCIM wrote:
I admitted to her how long it had been since I gathered up enough courage to do what I did, and she was quite flattered that I gathered up the courage to ask her. ... she gave me a big hug afterwards

By telling her that, it probably made her feel sympathy for you. That may or may not be a good thing. It may work well for you, it may work against you, who knows.

For myself, I certainly do not want women feeling sympathy for me. But what applies to me does not necessarily apply to another person.


She told me that it meant a lot to her that she was the first girl I'd asked out in a long time. It was sincere.



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18 Sep 2006, 7:26 pm

Most men who just bed multiple women then dump them actually hate women, they just see it as another notch in the bedpost, another victory for them, something to impress other men with.

http://www.faqfarm.com/Q/Do_narcissists_hate_women

The dating 'gurus' just prey on all the sad pathetic guys who can't get a date and think there is a secret cure for them. Even if they are successful, it doesn't cure the loneliness they had so they are still getting ripped off.



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19 Sep 2006, 12:38 am

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The dating 'gurus' just prey on all the sad pathetic guys who can't get a date and think there is a secret cure for them. Even if they are successful, it doesn't cure the loneliness they had so they are still getting ripped off.


I definitely agree that 'getting laid' on its own probably does nothing if you can't even connect with the girls your with, find out their boring, shallow, or nothing like you even when you do get to know them behind the scenes - if anything it probably just makes things that much more depressing and seem much more hollow for the guys who do have those skills if they actually have any kind of personality themselves. One of my roommates is a lot like me in that he needs a deeper level connection, is looking for a girl who's free-thinking and intelligent, and despite the fact that he was always getting these girls in their early 20's over here it seemed like it really wasn't doing anything for him in the long term.



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21 Sep 2006, 3:26 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I definitely agree that 'getting laid' on its own probably does nothing if you can't even connect with the girls your with, find out their boring, shallow, or nothing like you even when you do get to know them behind the scenes - if anything it probably just makes things that much more depressing and seem much more hollow for the guys who do have those skills if they actually have any kind of personality themselves. One of my roommates is a lot like me in that he needs a deeper level connection, is looking for a girl who's free-thinking and intelligent, and despite the fact that he was always getting these girls in their early 20's over here it seemed like it really wasn't doing anything for him in the long term.


Oh definitely. DeAngelo and other "dating gurus" are just trying to make money, and all they offer is how to get laid. DeAngelo himself talks about, or at least strongly implies, how he doesn't have any one girlfriend and that he has had multiple partners since he developed his system. The best dating advice one can get is from your own peers, male or female.

But I don't suggest that until you're about 20, because people (particularly females) have clouded views on how to approach dating until then. Some of the female advice I got prior to a year ago just made me worse off. The common threads continually were "take things slow and don't rush", and "don't be forward with them". Neither thing has ever worked, and if you're the 17-year-old guy moping around on another Asperger forum on Yahoo! in 2003 about why he can't get a girlfriend, give yourself the advice I wish I could've had back then.



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21 Sep 2006, 4:03 pm

ELLCIM wrote:
Oh definitely. DeAngelo and other "dating gurus" are just trying to make money, and all they offer is how to get laid. DeAngelo himself talks about, or at least strongly implies, how he doesn't have any one girlfriend and that he has had multiple partners since he developed his system. The best dating advice one can get is from your own peers, male or female.


Well, the trouble is though he definitely has a market - there's way more than enough guys who'd be way more than happy with years and years of that - maybe after about a decade or two it might get old but really, plenty of people out there are that shallow and this is pretty much the answer to their dreams. Just from reading Styles's book I noticed that most of the guys he had in his circles were kinda just that - simple minded and kinda sad, even their sucesses really didn't change that too much.



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25 Sep 2006, 9:24 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
Well, the trouble is though he definitely has a market - there's way more than enough guys who'd be way more than happy with years and years of that - maybe after about a decade or two it might get old but really, plenty of people out there are that shallow and this is pretty much the answer to their dreams. Just from reading Styles's book I noticed that most of the guys he had in his circles were kinda just that - simple minded and kinda sad, even their sucesses really didn't change that too much.


See, I'm too smart for him. I've got a high school education and a year of university. :P



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26 Sep 2006, 1:45 am

I think you missed the point, ELLCIM. If you end up in a decent relationship, it won't be because you're smarter than other people, it'll be because deep down you're a loving person, and because you'll be able to communicate that to the person you love. Intelligence in itself is not an attractive quality.