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28 Dec 2011, 2:46 am

I really think he just needs to get laid. It's amazing the de-crazyfying effect it has on young men.



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28 Dec 2011, 2:48 am

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I really think he just needs to get laid. It's amazing the de-crazyfying effect it has on young men.

i disagree. some of the worst misogynists on WP were not virgins.


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28 Dec 2011, 2:52 am

Probably had bad experiences. Find the right prostitute and you can be introduced into the grownup world of horniness without pressure, and come away feeling good about it. Everyone talks about therapy because it's an easy answer to fob off a stranger with but for younger people they mostly just need to follow their urges.



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28 Dec 2011, 2:55 am

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Probably had bad experiences. Find the right prostitute and you can be introduced into the grownup world of horniness without pressure, and come away feeling good about it. Everyone talks about therapy because it's an easy answer to fob off a stranger with but for younger people they mostly just need to follow their urges.

no way, i was even going to say that some of the WORST-worst misogynists (as in, banworthy) visited prostitutes. so you are wrong - it doesn't help the misogyny at all from what i have seen here.

it's anyone's guess whether soliciting prostitutes makes the misogyny worse (the only study that looked into this has questionable motives), but it definitely doesn't make it better.

EDIT: if you think about it logically, it makes perfect sense. paying for something that you are already pissed of you can't get from beautiful women for free is not a recipe for positive feelings towards females.


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28 Dec 2011, 3:11 am

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It's difficult not to resent the constant tease of impossible meals.

I just hate wanting things I cannot have. So I hate my desires and the females that incite them.


This post says that you are someone who doesn't feel worthy or good enough to participate in the dating game because you think that you will ultimately be rejected or that the outcome will not be positive in the long run.

Perhaps you are assuming that you lack what women want without actually trying to get to know them and their preferences? Perhaps you are being stereotypical and generalizing the desires and needs of every girl before even making an effort to get to know them. Maybe you are the one that prejudging them by showing bitterness and being resentful when you don't even know them, maybe if you opened your mind and stopped simply viewing them as sexual objects or accessories to acquire, you will find a partner that respects you.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:34 am

But these people don't deserve to be hated.. they haven't even rejetced you. I agree with people who said therapy.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:38 am

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if you think about it logically, it makes perfect sense. paying for something that you are already pissed off you can't get from beautiful women for free is not a recipe for positive feelings towards females.


Or he gets to have nice times with beautiful women and - if they're actually beautiful - feel accepted by them and that eases his tension irl. Could go either way. I never had misogyny but I never imagined a girl would want anything to do with me; seeing prostitutes certainly lessened that worry enough that I was cool enough around girls to do fine.

Mostly I don't like the idea of someone avoiding sex for their entire lives. That seems wrong, like society has messed up to allow it to happen. Not sure I believe in therapy either.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:44 am

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Mostly I don't like the idea of someone avoiding sex for their entire lives. That seems wrong, like society has messed up to allow it to happen. Not sure I believe in therapy either.


What's wrong with avoiding sex? Honestly, I think the OP should see a therapist and go from there.

I used to have massive amounts of hate towards men, and quite a bit of fear. Therapy is the only thing that helped. If I hadn't gotten help, I'd probably still be angry and have quite a bit of misandry.


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28 Dec 2011, 3:51 am

If he found a really good prostitute he could work through his issues with her. Play out fantasies until they didn't have power over him.



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28 Dec 2011, 3:55 am

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If he found a really good prostitute he could work through his issues with her. Play out fantasies until they didn't have power over him.


Except he's said he is willingly celibate. You're quite stuck on him just getting laid. I assure you, a good f**k is not the cure all you think it is.


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28 Dec 2011, 3:59 am

It doesn't matter whether you're a celibate virgin physically since obviously you allow those women to kindle strong feelings in you. That is, you are attached in hatred instead of love or desire. You've managed to pick up bad feelings, but the effect is not much different, your reaction gives them power over you.

You could move to a muslim country where women are covered from head to toe.

You could also delve into some Hindu doctrine which says (simplified here), a celibate has to recognize the mother or sister in each woman he encounters.

There are many reasons to strive for celibacy; primarily it's said to be a path to spiritual enlightenment.

If you make a decision for celibacy, it should be conscious and based on the benefits of this lifestyle, not on immature defiance.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:22 am

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I'm a celibate virgin. I've never asked anyone out, nor been rejected. Neither have I been asked out.

Early on in my life I decided to avoid romantic relationships. Even though I crave the sex, an actual relationship sounds like hell to me. Also being a virgin helps solidify my 'outsider' status.


That's rather common amongst people with schizoid personality disorder.

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My hatred is just a visceral reaction. I see a female, and I crave them. Yet I know that lust will never be fulfilled, which is very frustrating. I would turn off my libido if I could, and subsequently my misogyny could very well lessen.


Why don't you venture out of this self imposed deprivation and enter the dating scene? You might find someone you are happy with.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:47 am

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fraac wrote:
If he found a really good prostitute he could work through his issues with her. Play out fantasies until they didn't have power over him.


Except he's said he is willingly celibate. You're quite stuck on him just getting laid. I assure you, a good f**k is not the cure all you think it is.


I don't think he is willingly celibate, I definitely think there are self esteem issues or some past pain that made him bitter and negative.



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28 Dec 2011, 4:50 am

Wolfheart wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
fraac wrote:
If he found a really good prostitute he could work through his issues with her. Play out fantasies until they didn't have power over him.


Except he's said he is willingly celibate. You're quite stuck on him just getting laid. I assure you, a good f**k is not the cure all you think it is.


I don't think he is willingly celibate, I definitely think there are self esteem issues or some past pain which made him bitter or negative.


That goes without saying, but he's made the choice not to have sex. The cause of this choice is something he needs to work on, if he so chooses.


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28 Dec 2011, 11:47 am

I think the OP has a rigid perspective of human relationships. People come together and stay together for many different reasons. It's true that you can look at the formation and maintenance of a relationship as something potentially tiring and could put you off if you believe that you would always have to continuously prove that you were worthy even after the initial efforts of "juggling".

I'll let you in on something...not every person on this planet treats a relationship in a manner similar to a financial investment. There is the possibility of meeting somebody that wants to be with you, simply because once they have begun to know you they want to finish the book...and want to help write the unwritten chapters. But then life is so uncertain and the chaotic nature of it all sends my head spinning in a million directions at once...how would I find this person? What if I screw it up? What if I find them, all goes well, and then they get hit by a truck?! Oh god!

Stop. Breathe. If this is at all familiar then here is secret number two. All of that chaos inside your mind with a multitude of negative outcomes playing out and scaring you off wanting a relationship is normal. The cure is to hard reset. See it as a memory leak. It will only get worse. How to hard reset? Blow your load inside a member of the opposite sex that makes you physically react in a very positive manner when you notice her. That is the only true way for a male to reset these thoughts and make you truly realise that meeting a person in the right situation for things to prosper can happen, requires some effort on your part to be part of the world, and shouldn't be stressed about because life serves it or it doesn't...you don't make that ultimate decision.

In your situation, as I understand it, I would recommend you find yourself a lovely girl that needs a dollar...what a coincidence, you need sexual attention...and let the exchange take place. Don't listen to the chicks mate...they don't realise that female orgasms exist to encourage them to allow us to mate with them...before high power jobs and exotic sportscars ruined the situation and led to a decline of actual fulfilment...but for men it is more than a base urge for purely reproductive ends...it attaches us to a woman emotionally, stops us from going completely batshit crazy, allows us to feel the warmth and see the colour in this world, and allows our brains to stop worrying about the completely bizarre behaviour of women...if only for a short time.

All the best,

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28 Dec 2011, 12:58 pm

Misogyny makes no sense.

Guys blaming women for all their problems and inadequacies.

Yes, there are some (a small minority of) women that are just trash, mean-spirited, manipulative, and even abusive, but its best to just avoid them.

There's plenty of decent women who are waiting for a great guy to ask them out.