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15 Jan 2012, 3:25 pm

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I hear & see step-dads getting screwed over a lot; Dr Phil even said something about guys having problems when they date women with kids. Step-dads are expected to do things for the kids & watch the kids like dads are supposed to do because of their parental role but step-dads are not allowed to discipline the kids or give the mom any input into raising her kids because the step dad is not the kids real dad. The kids should be the most important people to a mom so the kids tend to be 1st priority so the step-dad could feel like 2nd place sometimes.


This all depends on the mother. If I ever get into a relationship again, you bet your ass the step-parent will be expected to discipline if necessary.

Then again, I've raised my kids to listen to adults in general unless I say otherwise. So far I haven't had to tell my children not to listen to someone.


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15 Jan 2012, 3:30 pm

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I hear & see step-dads getting screwed over a lot; Dr Phil even said something about guys having problems when they date women with kids. Step-dads are expected to do things for the kids & watch the kids like dads are supposed to do because of their parental role but step-dads are not allowed to discipline the kids or give the mom any input into raising her kids because the step dad is not the kids real dad. The kids should be the most important people to a mom so the kids tend to be 1st priority so the step-dad could feel like 2nd place sometimes.


This all depends on the mother. If I ever get into a relationship again, you bet your ass the step-parent will be expected to discipline if necessary.

Then again, I've raised my kids to listen to adults in general unless I say otherwise. So far I haven't had to tell my children not to listen to someone.


Backing what TEGH says, in general. Additionally, you have to keep in mind that stuff like Dr. Phil is meant to be the most sensationalistic aspect of that situation. That's what gets butts in chairs, watching subpar TV. :wink:



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15 Jan 2012, 3:32 pm

I found Dr Phil to be a tool. Stating extremes as if they were the norm. :roll:


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15 Jan 2012, 3:34 pm

Dr. Phil is a grade A quack.


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15 Jan 2012, 3:47 pm

True.


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15 Jan 2012, 3:58 pm

Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women


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15 Jan 2012, 6:25 pm

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Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


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15 Jan 2012, 6:26 pm

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Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show


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15 Jan 2012, 6:28 pm

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Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show

i forget anybody would watch something that ridiculous. i accidentally caught a few minutes of his show when he was discussing the health problems that can come from tight jeans. what a waste of broadcasting bandwidth.


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15 Jan 2012, 6:32 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show

i forget anybody would watch something that ridiculous. i accidentally caught a few minutes of his show when he was discussing the health problems that can come from tight jeans. what a waste of broadcasting bandwidth.


:lol: yeah really

...

good thing I never wear tight jeans
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15 Jan 2012, 6:33 pm

My ex had a son and two other kids he had father ship over but they weren't his real kids except for his own son. Plus he was never married to his ex. But he considered them his kids because he helped raised them. But there was so much drama between him and his ex. His ex was manipulating the judge and trying to alienate her son and she moved down to California to make it harder for him according to him. I think she had family down there he said so she may have moved there just to be closer to them than moving there to make it harder for my ex. Also he was always broke because he always had to go see his boy every time he was out of school for the summer or for the holiday such as for Thanksgiving, Christmas and some other week off from school in January or February and I think for Easter too. He would go down there and pick him up and being him back home and then drive him back down there to drop him off at his mother's car where she always wanted to meet up than having him go to her apartment. I dunno why she wanted to hide her home location from him. But it was just drama and I don't think i would want to be in a relationship where we always had to go broke because of it and he didn't know how to manage his money and he refused to live like he was poor so he got things he couldn't even afford. My mom thought he was naive for trying to get full custody over him when he can't even afford to care for him. I did point this out to him too and he said he be getting food stamps and Social Security and child support so he could afford it.


But would I still date a single parent? Maybe but it would depend on the situation the guy is in like if he isn't in some drama with his ex over custody or he has kids but they live very far away and he hardly sees them because he can't afford to go and see them so the only contact is by phone or email or IM and sending them birthday cards and presents or he has joint custody but there is no drama and I wouldn't mind seeing the ex and it depends on the kids too like what kind of people they are and how well the guy parents them and disciplines them than letting them be mean and rude to me and expecting me to deal with it and he does nothing about it because he would rather be their friend than their parent. My ex always let his son listen in on our conversations and let him butt in our business and always told him everything we talk about or what I did as if it was his business and I wish I stood up for myself. I would have eventually if their son was with us more often than once in a while. I would have eventually got fed up with it and start taking action and I bet that would have pissed my ex off and I would tell him I am in his life now and now that his son is in my life, he is now my responsibility and I am allowed to set limits for him and if he doesn't like it, I can leave.



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15 Jan 2012, 6:34 pm

Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show

i forget anybody would watch something that ridiculous. i accidentally caught a few minutes of his show when he was discussing the health problems that can come from tight jeans. what a waste of broadcasting bandwidth.


:lol: yeah really

...

good thing I never wear tight jeans
:P

you know, i think i just confused his show with some other show. oops. :oops: that'll maybe be an indicator of how much daytime tv i watch. :lol:


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15 Jan 2012, 6:36 pm

A romantic partner who already has children is not an absolute problem, just carries a potential additional risk. As someone mentioned before, it gets tricky if a bond forms between the kid(s) and the partner and later things don't work out.



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15 Jan 2012, 6:43 pm

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Written by ZenKing. Reposted in this Happy Bachelor Forum page for everyone to read.

I thought I would set down a “rough guide” for men thinking about starting a relationship with a single mom and what some of the ramifications are of dating and entering into a deeper relationship with a single mom could be. Of course this guide does not apply to all women or all men but it will list the main problems I have observed through over the years.

Contrary to popular media-myth I have yet to meet a single mom who was career driven, carefree, balanced, happy; doing it all type gal as often portrayed in most media outlets. The reality I have seen over the years is usually a stressed out, overworked, debt stricken woman who really had no idea children cost so much in time, effort and money. Their careers are on hold as they need to balance their child with sickness, school activities etc… versus moving up whatever career ladder they are on. Most single moms are raising their children with help of an extended family member (usually their mom), a bevy of friends and other single moms they find in support groups. It is usually not a pretty picture at all.

Somewhere along the way, usually quite quickly they come up with the idea that they need a “partner” to help them in their new enterprise of having a child and the sooner they can get one the better. Realizing they have a bit of a disadvantage with having a child and being in the dating scene they resort to several well known strategies to get a partner.

One of the first strategies is to engage men who do not have children of their own. This allows the woman to portray the semblance of having and raising a kid is easy and there will always be a balance between their relationship with their partner and their child. Sometimes they will portray themselves as helpless victims, victimized by an evil and absent father – they need saving and you can save them. Another popular scheme is to make themselves look accomplished and together by extending their debt to ridiculous levels to portray they are all right and don’t really need a partner. There are quite a few more, but like I said, this is a rough guide.

One of the strategies is to involve the child with the prospective “partner” almost right away and foster a relationship between the man and her child. This allows a lot of leverage on several levels as time goes by. It allows for huge amount of guilt and shame if the man wants to break off the relationship, allows a bonding to take place that is hard to shuck off and other factors… You will hear phrases such as “any man who loves me must love my children!” etc…All designed to appeal to a mans sense of chivalry and protection. This hopefully facilitates a sense of belonging together and in the end marriage.

Most single men are unaware of what is going on when they start to date a single mom. It seems that the child is around, but it is pleasant, there is a clear distinction between adult and child time etc… it seems actually for most men, not a bad time at all. This allows the single mom to get the man closer and farther into the relationship.
What is really going on is a shit-load of help from the single moms friends and other helpers. Tons of babysitting services, tips on dating, comparing notes and plans etc… No matter what you see as a man there is something else going on – do not forget that. Her plan is to eventually get a partner one way or another. You are the prize and she is going to earn it.

One trait that seems to come to the forefront with most men who are dating single moms is just how wonderful a woman they really are. Most men cannot for the life of them figure out why another man would abandon a woman like her. It has been stated hat single moms are more caring, compassionate, great lovers, excellent cooks, laugh at all your jokes etc…they seem to be ideal mates.

What is actually going on is well planned and orchestrated strategies to get a man into a relationship. I don’t know how many men have loudly complained that after marriage they were suddenly now doing most of the cooking, cleaning, and repairing around the house with zero time like they had before. I don’t know how many have said it was like night and day after they moved in. The kind compassionate woman the men met had some how now been replaced by a truly different woman, it was like another personality type than the one they married. In short a single mom knows she has to work harder to get a man and she will work harder, but for many the act cannot last that long and the real woman reveals herself. Usually his occurs just after marriage.

A lot of men though go for it and involve themselves in marriage with a single mom and do not really know some of the problems they will encounter. Here is a short list of several common problems that begin to creep up:

1. Being a “partner” means you get to pay for half- if not more. I have noticed after marriage a single mom works at dizzying speed to make sure her mans name is on all of the bills. She also will usually demand money also for a huge amount of her child’s expenses. It is also expressed as a part of “loving her and showing it”. I have seen men putting money away for college for a kid that’s not his. Buying ridiculous amounts of brand name clothes, expensive homes etc… all in an effort to be in a so-called “family”.

2. The Family you just got into is by invitation only. In most traditional marriages that produce children, the man, woman and child or children make up he basic family unit. In being a step- parent you are not the basic unit. The mother and child together are the basic unit. You are invited in and can be un-invited whenever mom feels it to be so. No matter what is said or mentioned before marriage, you will never come before her child. You will always be in a family and relationship where you come second, maybe third.

3. No matter what you think… her ex is going to be there forever. In just about every case the child’s father does not seem to be in the picture during the dating and courtship stage but seems to suddenly show up after. The reality is he was always there, your partner just never mentioned it…. The father will most naturally want to have a relationship with his child and he is going to be quite involved most of the time. Just about every time you will be dragged into the endless bickering and fights they have and you will not be liked by him…its only natural remember… also be sure to take into account the grandparents, uncles and aunts and all the family functions you will be attending with him, his child, his ex (your partner) and his side of the family. Get used to being uncomfortable.

4. Her kid will most likely not like you very much. Let’s face it you’re sleeping with their mom and most of the time the child will see you as a roadblock to his parents getting back together. Most likely the mom has made you the giver of discipline in the relationship, being the man and all…which results in the kid hating you. Or after watching the child run amok for weeks after you arrive you change juniors’ schedule to include some discipline and then you also hated even more. An amazing amount of men involved with single mothers report how the child hates them, but he can keep buying gifts to try to win their affection. Some call it the ATM effect of diminishing returns.

5. All that time you had together with your new love will end after marriage. The number one job of a single mom is simply to be a mom. She is not a party girl, hiker, camper, biker, clubber etc… Just be prepared for a frontal assault on your time and money after marriage. You will find your weekdays taken up with homework, PTA meetings, suppers at home, and early bed times. Weekends will be the time for the child’s extra-curricular activities and other activities. If a single man is wondering what happens ask any father of children how their time is spent, it will not be on hobbies. You will hear endlessly the phrase “we are a family now and this is what a family does” of course your idea on family will differ…but it is her family and she will make the choices.

6. You will wonder what happened to all your money. Most men involved with a single mom report that their money seems to dry up. Children are expensive- expensive like most men have no idea. Between school supplies, clothing, vast amounts of food, babysitters if you ever want to go out, medications, fees, sports, supplies, toys and such… well, there will be little left.
As a footnote there is also another ploy by some single moms that men also forget about. The child’s father is paying for a lot of these things. Quite a few men have reported that their wife or girlfriend was getting them to pay for such things as sport fees, equipment, university funds, school supplies and such but at the same time getting the child’s father to pay for these things also. Double billing, also called fraud, is quite common but it does allow the single mom to have almost zero expenses for her child as two men are now paying for junior….
Another ploy that is quite horrific was a man whose wife owned a home and he moved in with her and her child. Although he fixed it up, paid half the mortgage and expenses- she had willed the home to her children. When confronted she said since she would be dead she did not care if he had a home or not, her child came first. So be careful with matters of money. Very careful.

7. You will never really be accepted. I have observed time and time again the heartbreak of a step parent as the child gets older. After putting them through school, providing a place to live, food, getting the child all kinds of gifts and honestly really caring about the child and such I keep hearing this one story over and over. The time comes for a grad or a wedding, the step parent thinks he might be lauded for his sacrifices but instead is shunted to a back seat or not invited as the child invites mom and dad to the party…and thanks them for all their love and work. Usually there is not even an acknowledgement of effort.

8. You will now be part of the single moms’ network. Be prepared to help out all her buddies as they helped her out. Endless weekends and nights of babysitting the other single moms kids so that they too may date and get a man. You will also discover why 75% of all people in jail come from single mother households. Try not to have any expensive items around…

9. Now that the single mom is now married she will need to impress her single mom friends with her new found happiness. Her happiness will usually include a new home in a good neighbourhood, new clothing, new items for the home, new car etc… there is an unwritten law it seems among a lot of single moms that they compete ruthlessly with their friends. If she does get married she needs to show them her new found prestige. Be prepared for huge new expenses.

10. You will have no time for errors. A lot of single men get involved with the single mom and her kids when the child is a bit older. Being inexperienced with children becomes a huge burden as the single man has no time to learn parenting skills…and mistakes are not readily forgiven nor forgotten when a kid is 4 compared to 14.

11. You may think it ends, but it never does. I know many men whose single mom wife promised them a completely different life after junior turned 18 or so. At the beginning of the relationship it looked like just a few years and then total privacy and freedom. Then years later they found out that junior is going to go to university for 6 years after taking a gap year off and not worry about a job as he will live at home. After that the story usually is that the child gets married and has kids and needs a ton of babysitting services. The dream of trips abroad, moving to a nicer place etc… evaporates for most men. They just wind up being early grandparents. The other option that happens a lot is the girls have children early and stay at home. Not only is the man taking care of his wife’s child he also has to care for her grandchild now!

12. You will have nothing to show for it. In the end when most men have their own children the work and effort is well worth it. The men did their best and raised a family, continued a line, get grandchildren…etc… As a step-parent you have contributed as much but you have nothing. Nobody carries on your name and most men realize they are not even ever thanked for their sacrifice.

13. The legalities can kill you. There have been numerous cases where a man has divorced or left a single mom and then found himself liable financially for her child. Although not the father he will be responsible for child payments, extra fees and most certainly university far after they are 18….check the laws out, it’s a raw deal. Couple that with some alimony and you get the whole effect of being a divorced and homeless dad with not one child of your own….
In the end women have asked for their freedom to make their own choices now for decades. I would advise all single men to let single moms make their choice of having a child by themselves and then live with it. Don’t involve yourself with these women under any circumstances. It can be in many ways, the death of a man.
Well it’s a rough guide and you were warned….


That about sums it up.



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15 Jan 2012, 7:02 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
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Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show

i forget anybody would watch something that ridiculous. i accidentally caught a few minutes of his show when he was discussing the health problems that can come from tight jeans. what a waste of broadcasting bandwidth.


:lol: yeah really

...

good thing I never wear tight jeans
:P

you know, i think i just confused his show with some other show. oops. :oops: that'll maybe be an indicator of how much daytime tv i watch. :lol:


:lol: yeah I hate TV for the most part
Maybe you are thinking of Dr Oz?


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Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Dr Phil is a parasite that feeds off of the prejudices and insecurities of middle aged women

and apparently men as well (see above).


That's true, I forget some men watch his show

i forget anybody would watch something that ridiculous. i accidentally caught a few minutes of his show when he was discussing the health problems that can come from tight jeans. what a waste of broadcasting bandwidth.


:lol: yeah really

...

good thing I never wear tight jeans
:P

you know, i think i just confused his show with some other show. oops. :oops: that'll maybe be an indicator of how much daytime tv i watch. :lol:


:lol: yeah I hate TV for the most part
Maybe you are thinking of Dr Oz?

i... don't know. i do watch a few programs - usually an hour a night with my daughter. something like Sherlock or Misfits or How I met Your Mother, that sort of thing.


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