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from wikipedia:

Youth rights activists

Americans for a Society Free from Age Restrictions (ASFAR) is an advocacy group which promotes the removal of all age-based restrictions and protections, including age-of-consent laws. This organization contends that people mature differently and that individuals should be treated on a case-by-case basis, similar to what courts do when determining if an individual is in possession of all his faculties and able to give informed consent (e.g. not mentally ill, drunk, etc.).

The ASFAR’s Declaration of Principles (item 9.4), states that:

"Laws invalidating sexual consent purely on the basis of age should be repealed. ASFAR also supports initiatives to clarify the legal definition of rape to distinguish between informed and uninformed consent, where uninformed consent must be established in a court of law and not on the arbitrary basis of age"[22]

>>oh and yeah it may be against the "law"... but then the law is mostly just social "values" and "traditions" ... which are less than worthless to those that can rationally think for themselves<<

So you're saying that laws are not for the independant 'thinking' person? If you have a problem with the law, then perhaps you should do something constructive about it through the proper channels, as opposed to things such as breaking them and trying to justify it. Think of the world when the law is taken into the individuals hands. It would work if everyone was good, perfect and in agreement, but that will never happen.

>>i believe that rape/abuse/whatever occurs when the person is hurt in some way whether that person is 15 or 95... it doesn't just "automagically" happen when you have sex with a person who's 17 years, 11 months and 29 days old for example<<

Obviously, but immature or not, you being older and male means that you have a degree of dominance, control, awareness and responsibility (societal constructs of course, but not without reason). You certainly have more experience and knowledge about these things and would be far more 'wordly' than a 15 year old child.

>>rape/abuse/whatever is a completely different thing from just plain old having sex... try to separate the two concepts in your mind... because they're completely different things<<

I have no idea where you got this from. Did I somewhere say that I was worried that you would rape her from a continent away? I'm not stupid, I know that sex and rape are two completely different things...

>>from wikipedia:

Youth rights activists

Americans for a Society Free from Age Restrictions (ASFAR) is an advocacy group which promotes the removal of all age-based restrictions and protections, including age-of-consent laws. This organization contends that people mature differently and that individuals should be treated on a case-by-case basis, similar to what courts do when determining if an individual is in possession of all his faculties and able to give informed consent (e.g. not mentally ill, drunk, etc.).

The ASFAR’s Declaration of Principles (item 9.4), states that:

"Laws invalidating sexual consent purely on the basis of age should be repealed. ASFAR also supports initiatives to clarify the legal definition of rape to distinguish between informed and uninformed consent, where uninformed consent must be established in a court of law and not on the arbitrary basis of age"[22]<<

Ergh not another paste-war. Seeing as you want to drag this down into an arguement about the age of consent, somehow coming to the conclusion that I was inferring some sexual issue here, then we will.

Let these groups argue all they want, until it is the law then it is irrelivent. Think of why age of consent laws are in place: to protect young and innocent children from physical and psychological harm before the individual is mature enough to consent to such activities. I am well aware that people grow and mature at different rates, as I am sure governments do, which begs the question: why have an age of consent? Wait, I'll let you give an answer to this before I do.

EDIT: As opposed to running around wherever and whenever we like having sex with who we please.

>>So you're saying that laws are not for the independant 'thinking' person? If you have a problem with the law, then perhaps you should do something constructive about it through the proper channels, as opposed to things such as breaking them and trying to justify it. Think of the world when the law is taken into the individuals hands. It would work if everyone was good, perfect and in agreement, but that will never happen.<<

yeah the quickest way to change the law is using the scopes monkey trial method or roe vs wade method...

>>Obviously, but immature or not, you being older and male means that you have a degree of dominance, control, awareness and responsibility (societal constructs of course, but not without reason). You certainly have more experience and knowledge about these things and would be far more 'wordly' than a 15 year old child.<<

that's true.. but all of these don't automatically result in rape... it's like just because one person kills another with a baseball bat, doesn't mean we should make baseball bats illegal... the "wrongful and illegal possesion of a baseball bat" hasn't taken place... it's murder that's taken place and it should be treated as such

>>I have no idea where you got this from. Did I somewhere say that I was worried that you would rape her from a continent away? I'm not stupid, I know that sex and rape are two completely different things...<<

ok but i still don't get what your point is... i'm 29, she's 15... so what?

>>Ergh not another paste-war. Seeing as you want to drag this down into an arguement about the age of consent, somehow coming to the conclusion that I was inferring some sexual issue here, then we will.<<

ok sorry about the pasting, but u know the debate shouldn't be about my grammer or vocab skills... therefore why should i retype in my own words what someone else has succinctly phrased it somewhere else?

>>Let these groups argue all they want, until it is the law then it is irrelivent. Think of why age of consent laws are in place: to protect young and innocent children from physical and psychological harm before the individual is mature enough to consent to such activities. I am well aware that people grow and mature at different rates, as I am sure governments do, which begs the question: why have an age of consent? Wait, I'll let you give an answer to this before I do. <<

yeah i've had enough of governments taking their own sweet time to get thier s**t together... the government is run by average people... that means people with an iq of 100 on average... compared to me they're stupid ret*ds... how likely is it that these people know more about wrong and right than i do?

anyways, most of the psychological harm comes from the therapy that occurs afterwards that basically creates a victim where there was none in the first place... "The acts themselves harm no one, the emotional and psychological harm comes from the 'after the fact' interference, counseling, therapy, etc., that attempt to artificially create a 'victim' and a 'perpetrator' where neither exists"

>>EDIT: As opposed to running around wherever and whenever we like having sex with who we please.<<

well i would say that kids should be educated about such things, and the parents should be involved in a non-overbearing manner with regards to who their kids are hanging out with.... for example.. i'd be more than happy to meet with "red mage"'s parents... unless of course they're fundy christian republican conservative knee-jerk witch hunters armed with stakes and garlic

human society is notoriously fickle when it comes to right and wrong... so one should try to ground their ethical system on objective facts and not subjective opinions that change from time to time

Hellzrng, this thread isn't about you. It's RedMage's attempt to find a nice guy, and I'm assuming that means a nice guy HER AGE. Please don't spam the hell out of this thread. If you want to legalise pedophilia, then start another thread for that.

Yeah I agree, I'm sorry RedMage for disturbing your thread and pushing such irrelivent issues (in this topic anyway) - I do tend to get carried away. I will delete my posts at your request. I wish you luck in finding someone. And Hellz, if you want to continue this then PM me or start a topic, if not then we'll agree to disagree.

yeah I'm sorry too redmage... but it wasn't me that started it...

PS all you guys: congratulations... you've all prolly scarred redmage for life... hope it makes u happy... shame on you

yeah go on why don't you tell her what to think cos apparently she's too young too make her own decisions

oh and one last thing and i'm done.... please check your definitions before throwing around accusations like that... and while your at it, why don't you gather the rest of the townsfolk, we gonna have ourselves a witch burning...! amen! halleluia...! by the blood of baby jaysus!! !

Nice way to spam up my topic guys...

poor red mage, Hellz, stop being an attention whore. Sometimes I get the impression that you think the whole forum revolves around you when it actually doesn't.

Please don't post here unless you've got something to add...

um who is this directed to? or perhaps you meant, "pls don't post until you've got something to add that's relevant to the subject"? if so, then cya later i'm outta here... sorry about the spamming...

Oops, that's what I was meant to say. It's a shame no one is from around here.

i'm actually planning to move to australia soon... that is if i can get myself together & start the whole immigration process... cos i'm sick of living in this country... but the immigration process is a nightmare

How old are you, if I may ask?

oh well i'm 29..