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27 May 2012, 12:12 am

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Oh I agree they'll be a problem. That's my point, everything is nice and sweet until someone says thanks but no thanks.


Depends how mature the people are I suppose. Amicable breakups do exist, you know. But if nobody talks and problems are left to fester then things just keep going until there's some sort of disaster, like somebody cheats or just gets angry at all the unresolved issues and unilaterally ends the relationship with hostility.

Some people try to stay with their partners by letting problems fester and not talking about them so as to avoid conflict or termination of the relationship, but it generally seems to wind up being a dramatic, bitter, horrible situation in which everyone feels wrongly done by.



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27 May 2012, 12:18 am

I would say disregard her or in other words tell her to jog on and find someone that is willing to have a committed devoted relationship with you. You have already expressed that you aren't keen the idea, the only thing left to do now is to express that to her and leave her. I'm sure there are women that would want a monogamous devoted relationship with you, it's just about getting out there and finding them.



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27 May 2012, 12:33 am

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Oh I agree they'll be a problem. That's my point, everything is nice and sweet until someone says thanks but no thanks.


Depends how mature the people are I suppose. Amicable breakups do exist, you know. But if nobody talks and problems are left to fester then things just keep going until there's some sort of disaster, like somebody cheats or just gets angry at all the unresolved issues and unilaterally ends the relationship with hostility.

Some people try to stay with their partners by letting problems fester and not talking about them so as to avoid conflict or termination of the relationship, but it generally seems to wind up being a dramatic, bitter, horrible situation in which everyone feels wrongly done by.


I know they exists, and I know all too well about the things you speak of. Been there done that! Even the part of being cheated on. All of this before I met my Aspie.

What I'd be worried about is if my mate asked me what I thought about it, it meant they already had and were trying to gauge my response.

It seems like the OP doesn't want an open marriage. So I wonder if his wife is willing to stick around and work on the relationship or is she dead set on this.



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27 May 2012, 12:42 am

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It seems like the OP doesn't want an open marriage. So I wonder if his wife is willing to stick around and work on the relationship or is she dead set on this.


Not really a question of whether she's dead set or not, it's apparent she feels a need for something else, so if I were him I'd be thinking to get out. I'd talk though, just in case there was some other explanation or some unforeseen way to resolve it (maybe I'd be capable of something she didn't imagine that would set things right, who knows).



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27 May 2012, 1:10 am

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IlovemyAspie wrote:
It seems like the OP doesn't want an open marriage. So I wonder if his wife is willing to stick around and work on the relationship or is she dead set on this.


Not really a question of whether she's dead set or not, it's apparent she feels a need for something else, so if I were him I'd be thinking to get out. I'd talk though, just in case there was some other explanation or some unforeseen way to resolve it (maybe I'd be capable of something she didn't imagine that would set things right, who knows).


I'm with you on this. That's what I'd do. I'd be gone so fast! I was just giving the OP some things to consider.



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27 May 2012, 11:00 am

edgewaters wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
It seems like the OP doesn't want an open marriage. So I wonder if his wife is willing to stick around and work on the relationship or is she dead set on this.


Not really a question of whether she's dead set or not, it's apparent she feels a need for something else, so if I were him I'd be thinking to get out. I'd talk though, just in case there was some other explanation or some unforeseen way to resolve it (maybe I'd be capable of something she didn't imagine that would set things right, who knows).


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27 May 2012, 3:04 pm

Thanks for all of the replies. I do appreciate that she’s being honest with me about her needs and I feel that show’s her commitment towards me as it would be much easier for her to just cheat on me. What she is proposing is an open marriage for both of us not in the sense that we’re swingers and actively trying to get it on every weekend but if either one of us was in a situation where we wanted sex with someone else then we could do it without any guilt. I guess that’s polygamy but I place polygamist more in the swinger category. I appreciate her honesty because I’m sure many married peopled in the right circumstance would end up cheating and then their marriage would be over when the other spouse found out. It’s human nature to be sexually attracted to other people and it doesn’t bother me that she’s sexually attracted to other men. I’m sexually attracted to other women but I don’t feel the desire to pursue them beyond my imagination. I like Dan Savage and I’ve read his take on open marriages. I see the logic of it all but emotionally I’m having a hard time with it. It hurts me in ways that I can’t express that I can’t meet all of her needs. I get jealous and I feel possessive. I’m worried about experimenting with an open marriage. Will I be happy? I’m afraid I’ll end up withdrawing and the marriage will end. If we separate will I find someone else? An open marriage feels more like Friends With Benefits and that just feels empty to me. I feel it’s unfair to propose an open marriage when the other partner has Aspergers since it was unlikely they would have strayed (at least that’s my understanding so far). What if I end up with another woman? I’m not good at one-night stands and I could see myself falling into another relationship that ends our marriage. But I’m conflicted. I’d rather have a woman with a high sex drive than a devoted wife with no interest in sex. I see some other marriages around me where they are still devoted to each other (for now) but there is no sex.
I understand a good number of people find the idea of an open marriage abhorrent but I would never punish her by taking the kids. I don’t want a divorce. The emotional and financial strain of divorce seems far worse to me than her having sex with someone else a few times over the next few years. I can’t stand the idea of us being apart and sharing custody of the kids. I think it’s better for the kids that she has the occasional infidelity but to all others we look and act like a completely normal family.



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27 May 2012, 3:07 pm

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Ask to move to Utah and get a few extra wives in the house.


Move to Utah? Why would any man want more than one wife? One is hard enough :)



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27 May 2012, 3:21 pm

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If you don't think you'll like it then you probably won't. I know personally the thought of my man with another woman makes me sick and breaks my heart. Okay so since some folks think that its admirable that she discussed it with you, what happens if you say no? What if you say let's try to work on "us"? I agree that thinking of someone in a sexual way is not necessarily wrong its clear that her intentions are to follow through with her thoughts. What makes her think this going to work anyways? Have you asked her if she's already cheated?

Sorry for bombarding you with all questions :(
You said you felt jealous and betrayed, if you already feel this way, an open marriage is not going to make you feel any better or any different.

On and btw some species of penguins mare for life in addition to several other animals. Just sayin'! :D


But maybe I can work through the feelings of jealousy and betrayal by keeping an open dialogue with her and we can bring the relationship to a higher level? Or am I just delusional?

She did cheat on me once a year ago when we were going through a difficult time. I didn't realize that it was so difficult that it warranted cheating but she says she felt completely unloved by me at the time. She's also tried cheating at other times in the past but was turned down by the guy. So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.



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27 May 2012, 3:28 pm

Based on your response an open marriage is not for you. Sex is more than a physical thing. Its an emotional connection. Well at least its supposed to be. I can relate to you because some of the things you said and the words you used - jealousy, betrayal, possessive, friends with benefits. I too would feel this way and I know I wouldn't be happy with an open marriage. At some point there's going to be an emotional connection with someone else and where does that leave you? I want all of my mate's emotions and sexual attention for myself. I have kids too but sometimes people stay together for the kids and that's not always what's best for the kids.



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27 May 2012, 3:31 pm

I think you need to find out how serious she is about it. Just mentioning a preference doesnt mean it's a deal breaker for your marriage. Maybe she's content with the fantasy of it. When I was in my 20s I was approached by maybe 4-5 different couples to be a third wheel for a night. You'd be surprised how often couples deviate from accepted norms.

If you did go ahead with it you might suggest yearly swinging outings as a couple. I'm sure you'll find other couples with her helping to draw them in, and this gets you involved to even the scales. That could be in addition to the "open" thing or as a replacement for it. You'd also need to come with a list of rules. Do you tell each other when it happens? Does there have to be some parity before it continues? Is it one time only per partner?

But it doesnt really sound like you are into it. You'll need to check with her to get a more detailed impression of what's what.



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27 May 2012, 3:34 pm

KTodd wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
If you don't think you'll like it then you probably won't. I know personally the thought of my man with another woman makes me sick and breaks my heart. Okay so since some folks think that its admirable that she discussed it with you, what happens if you say no? What if you say let's try to work on "us"? I agree that thinking of someone in a sexual way is not necessarily wrong its clear that her intentions are to follow through with her thoughts. What makes her think this going to work anyways? Have you asked her if she's already cheated?

Sorry for bombarding you with all questions :(
You said you felt jealous and betrayed, if you already feel this way, an open marriage is not going to make you feel any better or any different.

On and btw some :P species of penguins mare for life in addition to several other animals. Just sayin'! :D


But maybe I can work through the feelings of jealousy and betrayal by keeping an open dialogue with her and we can bring the relationship to a higher level? Or am I just delusional?

She did cheat on me once a year ago when we were going through a difficult time. I didn't realize that it was so difficult that it warranted cheating but she says she felt completely unloved by me at the time. She's also tried cheating at other times in the past but was turned down by the guy. So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.


Read my previous post

Sorry you won't be able to work through the jealousy. It will eat away at you.



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27 May 2012, 3:44 pm

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She did cheat on me once a year ago when we were going through a difficult time. I didn't realize that it was so difficult that it warranted cheating but she says she felt completely unloved by me at the time. She's also tried cheating at other times in the past but was turned down by the guy. So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.


For a cheater to drop the open relationship bomb one year after cheating is a very bad sign, in my opinion. That's not much time to heal, let alone jump into something you arent sure about. Thumbs down. But I think you really need a lot more details about where she is. What you've typed sounds bad but I'm sure she'd tell it another way.



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27 May 2012, 3:49 pm

KTodd wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
If you don't think you'll like it then you probably won't. I know personally the thought of my man with another woman makes me sick and breaks my heart. Okay so since some folks think that its admirable that she discussed it with you, what happens if you say no? What if you say let's try to work on "us"? I agree that thinking of someone in a sexual way is not necessarily wrong its clear that her intentions are to follow through with her thoughts. What makes her think this going to work anyways? Have you asked her if she's already cheated?

Sorry for bombarding you with all questions :(
You said you felt jealous and betrayed, if you already feel this way, an open marriage is not going to make you feel any better or any different.

On and btw some species of penguins mare for life in addition to several other animals. Just sayin'! :D


But maybe I can work through the feelings of jealousy and betrayal by keeping an open dialogue with her and we can bring the relationship to a higher level? Or am I just delusional?

She did cheat on me once a year ago when we were going through a difficult time. I didn't realize that it was so difficult that it warranted cheating but she says she felt completely unloved by me at the time. She's also tried cheating at other times in the past but was turned down by the guy. So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.


The part in bold, coupled with the fact that you're both parents AND you dislike it a lot should be clear indicators that an open marriage is a HUGE no-no for either of you!



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27 May 2012, 3:49 pm

KTodd wrote:
IlovemyAspie wrote:
If you don't think you'll like it then you probably won't. I know personally the thought of my man with another woman makes me sick and breaks my heart. Okay so since some folks think that its admirable that she discussed it with you, what happens if you say no? What if you say let's try to work on "us"? I agree that thinking of someone in a sexual way is not necessarily wrong its clear that her intentions are to follow through with her thoughts. What makes her think this going to work anyways? Have you asked her if she's already cheated?

Sorry for bombarding you with all questions :(
You said you felt jealous and betrayed, if you already feel this way, an open marriage is not going to make you feel any better or any different.

On and btw some species of penguins mare for life in addition to several other animals. Just sayin'! :D


But maybe I can work through the feelings of jealousy and betrayal by keeping an open dialogue with her and we can bring the relationship to a higher level? Or am I just delusional?

She did cheat on me once a year ago when we were going through a difficult time. I didn't realize that it was so difficult that it warranted cheating but she says she felt completely unloved by me at the time. She's also tried cheating at other times in the past but was turned down by the guy. So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.


The part in bold, coupled with the fact that you're both parents AND you dislike it a lot should be clear indicators that an open marriage is a HUGE no-no for either of you!



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27 May 2012, 3:57 pm

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So she's not monogamous so if I stay with her I'm in an open marriage regardless if i say yes or no to it.

So in other words, asking you was just a polite formality. To relieve her of the guilt for something she's probably going to do anyway. That strikes me as the real issue: it's going to be on her terms either way. That would be a dealbreaker for me, kids or not.