Why do you feel the need to quit trying?
I never really tried terribly hard in the first place, so I never really quit. If some other girl I like comes my way, I'll hopefully eventually work up to like, not being an idiot. But, as nice as it seems to have a girlfriend, there's different priorities in my life.
I could wake up in the morning and decide I need a million dollars for whatever reason. Could I achieve it? Probably. But why? I don't really need a million dollars. I basically don't think the work I'd put into the quest of getting a million dollars would be worth the effort and other things I'd have to sacrifice. And so it's the same with women.
Then again, I'm not saying this from a terribly bad position. I'm "out" often and around quite a few females (just haven't gotten to know very many) and I'm not bad looking and I've got suspicions a few people like me. But, a lot is finding a girl that's actually compatible with me in some fashion, as I'm fairly religious and can't just "hook up" and have casual sex with a zillion different girls. Unfortunately my problem in relationships, even just platonically, isn't the first impression of me, it's once they get to know me or be around me, they think I'm too weird or something. In that regard, it's very easy to stop trying, as insanity is doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result.
As I said, in life in general, we have differing goals. I used to really want a fast car. I wanted to build something with like 500hp. Basically have a streetable race car. That was one of my goals in life. Now I don't really care. I prefer to put my resources toward other things now. I might come back to having a fast car one day, but for now, my resources are going other places because those other places bring me less grief than cars did.
I certainly agree with the idea that when you say you can't do something, you can give up and never bother trying. But it's a simplistic homily that does not hold up under too much scrutiny. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. I reached a point where I decided that it wasn't worth continuing to pursue relationships because I had a tendency to sabotage them. It's possible that I will form a relationship in the future, but I'm not counting on it. There are more important battles in my life.
It's kind of like the idea of breaking the speed of light. There is a law of physics that says you can't. Some are still looking for ways to bypass that limitation and it's possible that one day there will be a way to cross huge stretches of space faster than light. But in the mean time more physics will be accomplished by recognizing and accepting that limitation and pursuing other sides of physics that are more likely to yield results.
One thing to consider; things look an awful lot simpler at 19 than they do at 47. I never had a sense that I could handle dating and yet I kept trying until I hit about 40. I kept saying "I can!" And the world kept saying "In your dreams, you dope." I certainly haven't ruled it out, but I have enough sense to know that there are other things that are more important to me. There are things that are a practical impossibility. That doesn't mean you shouldn't stop trying to achieve those goals if you really want them, but it is wise to be realistic about the problems you face. And if the benefits are not outweighing the negatives, it's best to pursue some other goal.
That's life. You can fight hard and still lose. If the potential gains are worth it, then by all means, keep fighting, but it's stupid to fight a battle that doesn't get you anything worthwhile.
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I certainly agree with the idea that when you say you can't do something, you can give up and never bother trying. But it's a simplistic homily that does not hold up under too much scrutiny. Sometimes you have to pick your battles. I reached a point where I decided that it wasn't worth continuing to pursue relationships because I had a tendency to sabotage them. It's possible that I will form a relationship in the future, but I'm not counting on it. There are more important battles in my life.
It's kind of like the idea of breaking the speed of light. There is a law of physics that says you can't. Some are still looking for ways to bypass that limitation and it's possible that one day there will be a way to cross huge stretches of space faster than light. But in the mean time more physics will be accomplished by recognizing and accepting that limitation and pursuing other sides of physics that are more likely to yield results.
One thing to consider; things look an awful lot simpler at 19 than they do at 47. I never had a sense that I could handle dating and yet I kept trying until I hit about 40. I kept saying "I can!" And the world kept saying "In your dreams, you dope." I certainly haven't ruled it out, but I have enough sense to know that there are other things that are more important to me. There are things that are a practical impossibility. That doesn't mean you shouldn't stop trying to achieve those goals if you really want them, but it is wise to be realistic about the problems you face. And if the benefits are not outweighing the negatives, it's best to pursue some other goal.
That's life. You can fight hard and still lose. If the potential gains are worth it, then by all means, keep fighting, but it's stupid to fight a battle that doesn't get you anything worthwhile.
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lol. the rather simple attitude of someone who has been given everything. When you spend half a decade or more of trying with not one sad excuse for success then you will know why we give up. until then, just shut up and dont talk about what you know nothing of.
I haven't been given a damn thing in life when it comes to dating. I'm in the same boat as a lot of people on here are: 1 relationship that just didn't work out. I spent as much time as i could (and to this day I still do in a little way) recover from it. It was a long term relationship, and stuff like that happens.
I couldn't deal with this whole idea that after 2 years, after I made that slow and painful recovery and kicked back a bit, I was in a routine: going to school, talking to the same people, going back home and...hopping along on the computer. I don't have the luxury of a car to see anyone or hangout with people out here whether or not they have stuff that they are doing or I have no way of reaching.
This monotonous routine is killing me and i am trying to break free of it and try something new. I'm ready for another shot, and i don't give a damn if i can barely walk, if i can barely breathe, or even if all hope is lost. I can't just throw in the towel and simply give up when the timing is right to do so.
The meaning of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
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When you've got a laundry list of problems like me, there is barely a use in trying. I keep trying anyway for some stupid reason. I'm stubborn, just like my mom. But the world keeps telling me the same thing that jagatai said. "In your dreams, you dope!" And yeah while it sounds true that I've apparently had a couple girls attracted to me, one of them I'm not attracted to and the other was just playing me all along seems like.
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I have a physics teacher that preached this message to us during a lecture that I think rings true to everyone, especially in this forum. Whenever we say that we can't do something, we'll give up and quit and never learn from the mistakes we made from trying.
So what a girl denied you and threw you in the friendzone, SO WHAT. Your heart is still beating, you're still breathing, life goes on! Keep fighting and keep trying to find that one person that you want to be with. I don't give a damn how many times you fail miserably; stand up and keep fighting! There's no reason why you should give up. This process sucks and its so hard to figure out...
THIS IS LIFE. SUCK IT UP, GROW A SPINE, AND FIGHT!
it's hard to find out specifically why i'm getting rejected since girls will never directly say to a guy's face why they rejected him
I have a physics teacher that preached this message to us during a lecture that I think rings true to everyone, especially in this forum. Whenever we say that we can't do something, we'll give up and quit and never learn from the mistakes we made from trying.
So what a girl denied you and threw you in the friendzone, SO WHAT. Your heart is still beating, you're still breathing, life goes on! Keep fighting and keep trying to find that one person that you want to be with. I don't give a damn how many times you fail miserably; stand up and keep fighting! There's no reason why you should give up. This process sucks and its so hard to figure out...
THIS IS LIFE. SUCK IT UP, GROW A SPINE, AND FIGHT!
it's hard to find out specifically why i'm getting rejected since girls will never directly say to a guy's face why they rejected him
It is not that hard. She doesn't think you have a high enough social status relative to her social status and/or she doesn't think that she can show you off as a trophy to her friends. It is as simple as that. Women are not particularly complicated.
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I have a physics teacher that preached this message to us during a lecture that I think rings true to everyone, especially in this forum. Whenever we say that we can't do something, we'll give up and quit and never learn from the mistakes we made from trying.
So what a girl denied you and threw you in the friendzone, SO WHAT. Your heart is still beating, you're still breathing, life goes on! Keep fighting and keep trying to find that one person that you want to be with. I don't give a damn how many times you fail miserably; stand up and keep fighting! There's no reason why you should give up. This process sucks and its so hard to figure out...
THIS IS LIFE. SUCK IT UP, GROW A SPINE, AND FIGHT!
what are specific examples of a guy who is high-status, has social-status?
it's hard to find out specifically why i'm getting rejected since girls will never directly say to a guy's face why they rejected him
It is not that hard. She doesn't think you have a high enough social status relative to her social status and/or she doesn't think that she can show you off as a trophy to her friends. It is as simple as that. Women are not particularly complicated.
I have a physics teacher that preached this message to us during a lecture that I think rings true to everyone, especially in this forum. Whenever we say that we can't do something, we'll give up and quit and never learn from the mistakes we made from trying.
So what a girl denied you and threw you in the friendzone, SO WHAT. Your heart is still beating, you're still breathing, life goes on! Keep fighting and keep trying to find that one person that you want to be with. I don't give a damn how many times you fail miserably; stand up and keep fighting! There's no reason why you should give up. This process sucks and its so hard to figure out...
THIS IS LIFE. SUCK IT UP, GROW A SPINE, AND FIGHT!
what are specific examples of a guy who is high-status, has social-status?
it's hard to find out specifically why i'm getting rejected since girls will never directly say to a guy's face why they rejected him
It is not that hard. She doesn't think you have a high enough social status relative to her social status and/or she doesn't think that she can show you off as a trophy to her friends. It is as simple as that. Women are not particularly complicated.
Owning your own business. Being the boss of an organization. Being the leader of a small group of people. Being famous. Living in a fancy house. Driving an expensive or flashy car. Wearing clothing that conveys a coherent and strong identity that stands out ("sexy stereotype").
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I have a physics teacher that preached this message to us during a lecture that I think rings true to everyone, especially in this forum. Whenever we say that we can't do something, we'll give up and quit and never learn from the mistakes we made from trying.
So what a girl denied you and threw you in the friendzone, SO WHAT. Your heart is still beating, you're still breathing, life goes on! Keep fighting and keep trying to find that one person that you want to be with. I don't give a damn how many times you fail miserably; stand up and keep fighting! There's no reason why you should give up. This process sucks and its so hard to figure out...
THIS IS LIFE. SUCK IT UP, GROW A SPINE, AND FIGHT!
sometimes i feel the need to quit trying because i feel i'm getting too old
what are specific examples of a guy who is high-status, has social-status?
it's hard to find out specifically why i'm getting rejected since girls will never directly say to a guy's face why they rejected him
It is not that hard. She doesn't think you have a high enough social status relative to her social status and/or she doesn't think that she can show you off as a trophy to her friends. It is as simple as that. Women are not particularly complicated.
Owning your own business. Being the boss of an organization. Being the leader of a small group of people. Being famous. Living in a fancy house. Driving an expensive or flashy car. Wearing clothing that conveys a coherent and strong identity that stands out ("sexy stereotype").
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