Samurai balls are no more (chopped by pinky Katanas).....

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1.) it's not her retirement, it's theirs, japan doesn't have the ind of safety net we do, without kids you really have to make sure you'll be able to cover your expenses, he'll need security in old age just as much
2.) he lives in that house too
3.) if he wanted to do the budget he could, he choses to delegate the task to his spouse, as it's a cultural custom and it's "too hard"
4.) she's upfront and transparent about where the money is going

if this were legally mandated it would be bad
if she were spending frivilously it would be bad
if she deliberatley obfusticated where the money was being spent it would be bad
I saw no evidence of that in the article, and considering they were presenting it as a "bad thing", if they had evidence of wrong they'd have used it

also as far as her "earning none", her husbands career is facilitated by her taking care of the household, having a house spouse is a career boost (for both en and women, especially if there are children in the picture as with one of these example families)
if you decide as a couple to be one income you can't deride the stay at home partner as a "non-earner"

Ok, we can see the gender split already here.

I bet that ALL female users would say "but this is management" while ALL male users would agree it's abuse.

and you can't deride the earner partner as "tightly-limited-money-user"

You know, I tried to make a point that I agreed with you on something and you STILL had to go on the offensive.

DogsWithoutHorses is absolutely right. This is not about gender.

I am Japanese by the way, and trust me those men are happy that their wives are taking care of the family finance. Their wives are making sure there would be enough money for the retirement, mortgage, education, healthcare, holidays, etc, etc.
Those men know that they CAN have more money to themselves if they really want to, but they chose not to. Of course some Japanese men do take control of the family budget if they cannot trust their wives with the task. It's about teamwork, not a gender issue.

except it's not derision, it's economics, and most of the money is still being used on his welfare

if there isn't anough income after expenses for more spending money, what is she supposed to do?
couldn't he try to do the budgeting again? (she was willing to let him)

almost 10% of household income (for one individual) as fun money after all expenses and savings isn't that raw of a deal...maybe that's just my perspective from growing up working class, anything after all expenses (even savings) seems pretty darn posh

If these men don't want to keep a house and a wife and children and be able to have a nice standard of living when they can't work anymore
they don't have to have any of it, of they want to be able to spend all or a larger chunck of money of ciggarettes on motorbikes they don't have to support a family

The issue, I'll reiterate, is living expenses being a larger chunk of income than it used to be due to economic downturn. Japan might begin orienting more toward the two income household, which would change family dynamics.

The wife in this situation seems to me to be working as her husbands book keeper, as well as cooking and cleaning and if there are children taking care of them, that's the value she btings to the household.
She's less of an overlord more of an accountant.

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I think those men are at fault & stupid because they are the 1s giving their wife all their money instead of simply keeping some of it for themselves or hiding some from their wife if need be. They could put their money in one of those cash credit-card things & only have their name on it so the wife cant use it.

You people need to pull your woman hate stick out of your asses.

As far as I know it is still fairly common for woman to not work and just be a house wife in Japan.
So this isn't a lazy gold digger thing, this is the culture.
On the other hand any man who didn't work would be branded a Hikikomori by the community and fairly despised.
Again it is the culture, not the women.

30,000-50,000 yen is a shedload of money. $381-$641 of free spending money a month.
That is money they can spend on ANYTHING, not money for food, or gas, this is free spending money.

If these men had it their way they would spend every spare cent on crap and be broke when they retire.
These women are doing what every couple should do and the men are simply complaining because they don't think the eating budget of a large family or two is enough spare change to line their pockets.

PS. I'm a man. This isn't abuse. Its life, money management is required, welcome to the real world.
I do the exact same thing that their wives do to myself every month.
The only difference is I sure as hell don't get $300-$600 of spending money and I don't have any extra money to put towards a retirement fund.