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The manic episode does not have to last long for bipolar. There is such a thing as rapid cycling.

I'm not familiar with BPD and can't say anything about it.

Yeah, that still indicates Bipolar because, on average, it's still a long period. Borderline rage happens in reaction to actual or perceived abandonment and often last for a relatively short time. There are usually no extreme mood swings from depression to mania for pure borderlines.

No idea, not talked to her in two months since it happened. Last time I tried it I made things worse by melting down on the phone when I was talking to her mom... so I just severed all contact.

But her "Manic" episodes would sometimes last for hours or days.. and then her depressive episodes would do the same sort of cycling.. it would of course vary based on her monthly cycle (which was already screwed up due to other problems) but generally soemtimes she'd do something impulsive one minute and the next she was apologizing.

I'll take the meltdowns over the issues associated with bipolar disorder any day. I don't think this was thought all the way through as noble as the thought may be.

Dating bipolar may be my only chance to ever date an extroverted, fun girl, i.e. the type of girl I'm attracted to. I have enough dating and life experience to know what I'm doing. I've dodged bullets and lived in dangerous third-world cities without speaking the language very well. So....



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I am an extroverted, talkative, fun (I have been told I'm a lot of fun) woman. I am attracted to an introverted Aspie. I'm just saying I don't necessarily think that's your only option.

I could just see the online dating ad:

Socially awkward guy seeks fun, sexy woman.
Turn ons:
you screaming at me until you're blue in the face
threats of violence
irrational behaviour
wild "make-up" sex while still angry and no resolution afterwards
jumping for joy at the drop of a hat, then sobbing uncontrollably for unknown reasons a plus!

@mcalavera
1. People with bipolar II can cycle within the space of days/hours
2. Lack of remorse is not a symptom of attribute of bpd anymore than it is of aspergers

@tyrion
find a bipolar chatroom/forum. they might not be single, but who knows maybe you'll get them in a manic phase. haha jks. it's a strange idea really, thinking you're attracted to people with bipolar. i mean they're people before they're bipolar.

Yep, so it may sometimes last for days and not just for hours.



That's misleading. It's not explicitly mentioned in the criteria, but it's implicit due to the nature of the personality disorder itself.

I refer you to the following link that shows how [untreated] borderlines are generally lacking in affective empathy and therefore lacking in remorse.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21586330

Remorse and empathy are two separate things. One refers to the ability to feel guilt or shame (not necessarily related to other people) and the other is the ability to understand things from other peoples perspective. Just because you googled bpd + guilt does not make it implicit.
Unless you want to agree that it's also implicit in Aspergers. I refer you to this litany of research suggesting same:

google search results

Any particular study you would like to link me to directly? Surely you can do better than just suggesting I search further.

Also, not sure why you keep mentioning Asperger's. Asperger's aren't typically lacking in affective empathy.

There is a whole pile of articles there I referred you to, I didn't refer you to any particular one because it's irrelevant. I don't believe people with aspergers lack empathy anymore than people with bpd lack empathy. I was just demonstrating that I too can attempt to prove my argument by combining search terms into google.

You said that bpd have no remorse. And then you tried to illustrate your point by saying that it's implicit because they have no empathy.
Empathy and remorse are not the same concept.

Empathy is the ability to understand other people's perspectives/feelings. Remorse is the state of feeling guilty or ashamed.

I could feel no remorse if I smashed up a heap of windows. That doesn't imply I have no empathy. You can't feel empathy for inanimate objects. Maybe I don't feel remorse because I just don't give a f**k about the windows.

Just as if I felt remorseful for stealing a baby's icecream right in front of its mum. That doesn't imply I have empathy either, because I can feel remorseful purely for myself, perhaps because i know I will get in trouble for taking icecream.

I referred you to a study. You refer me to what? Google? How is that the same thing that I did?



I guess you are looking at remorse differently. For me, remorse is not just a matter of regret due to inconvenience. It's a matter of realizing one's wrongs against others. And this one often requires empathy for others.

Also, do keep in mind that I was originally responding to a member here who was complaining about how an ex of his left him for anothe guy and showed no remorse about it. So whatever definition you choose for "remorse" is irrelevant here.



Remorse could also be about repentance and/or being aware of one's wrongs against others and other stuff.

Empathy and remorse are constructs with various definitions, but the point isn't to argue about what they really mean, but what conceptual points happen to be more accurate. I feel you are trying to drag this into an argument of semantics rather than address the actual core point to be discussed.



Well, if those windows happen to belong to someone else, wouldn't you feel bad that you broke his/her windows? I would.

I didn't 'choose' the definition of remorse, it's like, the actual definition of remorse.
Definition of remorse
noun
[mass noun]
deep regret or guilt for a wrong committed:
they were filled with remorse and shame
Originated in latin apparently. Well before my time.

Anyway I'm over discussing this, because it's clear we are never going to be on the same page. I just wanted to point out that
''lack of remorse is no more an attribute of bpd than it is of aspergers". And I feel that I have.

If you want to take that point up with someone, perhaps you should take it up with whoever is drafting the next DSM because I"m sure they'd really appreciate your input on this. Clearly you've managed to determine something that many esteemed doctors, researchers and scholars before you have missed.

Tyri0n, you may connect well to some people with the disorder, but i would caution you to not assume that they are all the same sort of person. they are as individual as aspies are. many also have "downs" as well as "ups", so you'd potentially be dealing with someone who has periods of withdrawal, depression, etc.

and on an "up", some people with bipolar disorder can be a lot more extreme than you might imagine (delusions, halluciations, rage), so i'd advise you to seek more information before fetishing people with the diagnosis. there are lots of people with more mild cases as it is a kind of spectrum as well.

most people with the disorder spend a lot of time in a neutral mood, so they are usually like the rest of us. for that reason, it's not a great idea to seek out a person with the disorder for the primary purpose of experiencing the person's manic moods because that part is not how the person spends the majority of their time.

you might actually prefer to simply find a high energy, bubbly sort of person.

Yes, for a wrong committed.



I don't have access to the DSM, but I heard that they were going to add "lack of empathy" as a criterion for BPD in the next edition.