Women who find muscles attractive!

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I'm confused about what demographic of women we are talking about. Other men in media who have muscles and are popular with women:

Jersey Shore men
Ryan Gosling
Hugh Jackman
Ryan Reynolds

I'm well aware of that. But when this



is hotter than this



the media clearly dictates a lot.

I think a lot more women in the West (as opposed to Asia) think Jacob is more attractive than Edward. That's just been my observation. Maybe it's a Texas thing.



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Then, I think in other shows, the hot guys are all pretty toned, at least. Maybe not huge. But huge is not necessarily a survival advantage from an evolutionary standpoint. Historically, superheroes look more like fit, toned men with a decent amount of muscle, not steroid-crazed monsters (these are usually the bad guys who get outsmarted, outmaneuvered, and killed).

Girls these days range from liking John Snow (who may look a little skinny but likely works out a ton) to Khal Drogo. All these hit the gym a lot in one way or another.

Most of the great movie action-heroes are in their 50s and 60s now, so they're probably not considered hunks by young women anymore like they used to be. However, they still make some best movies in that genre like the "Rambo" movie Stallone made a few years back, or the brand-new "Die Hard" movie that just came out for example.

Maybe this is what the OP was getting at.

The media doesn't dictate anything because people aren't forced to watch it. The media gives people what they want to see, and those in the media have to adjust themselves to fit the ever changing desires of the public.

That was after he had heart valve surgery and when he was the governor of California, a pretty big responsibility at that age.

So why does the ideal man change every decade? It works pretty much the same way as marketing campaigns do. Just like many people think that Rihanna´s music is cool because charts say so, many girls think Justin Bieber is hot because the media says he is.

Not big enough responsibilities to keep from having a mistress and another son. I'm thinking if he could do that then he could spend an hour at the gym in the mornings.

Also if he was so fit and healthy then he wouldn't have needed heart valve surgery, no?

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The ideal man changes every decade because the medias target becomes older and is replaced by the new generation every decade. Each decade having their own styles. And those examples aren't of the media, but rather peers. If all of your peers do X, to fit in you must also do X. The media cant force you to do X by itself. They also have to do X to gain viewership of people doing X

So why does the female ideal stay the same in every culture with too much food available?

It actually has changed a lot over time.

MXH is right... The media can't create a need, it only identifies a need that is already there and reminds people about it. They do seem to be targeting the younger generations; maybe because they spend more money on movies.

There is a learning technique called classical conditioning where they pair two stimuli together. The media uses this when they associate sex with products in the hope that heterosexual men will think of beautiful women when they buy a product. This may answer your question... It's a different marketing tactic than just looking at actors and actresses.

Maybe you should take a look at Ask Men´s top 100. Compare Birgitte Bardot, Marilyn Monroe, Lillian Muller, Heidi Klum, Jenifer Lopez and Zooey Deschannel. Estrogen levels, physical shape and what really matters has changed very little. The ideal man today has 1/3 of the testosterone he did 15 years ago.

Umm. You do know that hormone levels isn't something you can tell just by looking at someone right? I dare say the average fit guy today is a lot larger than it was in the 80s.

But then again if you go by a top 100 guys list you'll notice most are lean and cut. Which is what women from the 20s and up have demonstrated to be the universally attractive thing. Size only matter to guys.

Something worth mentioning in the Bieber example, it isn't like he is attractive because of his body tipe, or the way he looks like without a shirt, but because of his music and being famous and being considered as "cute", but I'll daresay that if there was a photo of a shirtless unknown person with Bieber's build, he'd probably not be considered as attractive as him

Hormones affect your appearance, so you can tell. 60 years ago, Steve Reeves at 225 lbs (before the rise of MTV, soap operas and reality shows changed what was attractive) was considered to be very handsome. Compare 15-20 year old picturers of Mark Wahlberg and Brad Pitt to Justin Bieber just to see how much things have changed.