What do men want?

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As a culture we've associated fashion and clothing with the internal attitudes and societal status of a person for thousands of years - it's not going to be easy to reverse that.
I get what you're saying, there's a lot of this that has truth to it, like "Teach boys not to rape, instead of teaching girls how to not get raped" etc.
In most cases I don't think it's a negative thing that we interpret the way someone is by their dress code (it certainly makes things easier when making friends), but when it comes to these things it clearly hits a sore spot... there are two approaches I think. You can work with the way the world is now, or you can envision a utopic picture and act as if it's already realized.
I've said it a few times, it's unfortunate but this is the way the world is thanks to media, the fashion industry, cosmetics industry etc... Which is why, and I stand by this, I would prefer a woman in my life who does not subscribe to the fashion and cosmetic industries' ideal of "beauty" or "sexy" etc, and dresses in her own way that is comfortable and reasonable.

And with rapists/sex offenders etc aside, I don't think you're going to stop the average man from looking at a woman who's scantily dressed.. if she's attractive they're going to look anyway, and thanks to cultural programming, they assume if she's dressed with a less-than-average amount of fabric that she's a more sexual woman, to put it politely.

Ultimately you can't blame the men, and you can't blame the women, it's a collective effort, and I'm simply offering what I believe to be my way around the issue in my own life.

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"Any other"? How many more are there?

A lot more than 2, if you ask the wrong people.

Gender isn't biological, sex is biological. There is the male and female sex, and gender is a whole other story. So there are plenty of gender identities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_identity

Not everyone fits into the gender binary.

uwmonkdm, the only reason I responded to you in the first place was because you didn't seem very dense from what I've seen of you and I clearly got a false impression. My bad.

Maybe I'm just the "wrong people"

I would do her a vaginapalm.

Pick one

I'm not sure what a vaginapalm entails but it sounds like it could get really awkward really fast.

For you men, do you like women who like to drink and like to see them get drunk?
once in a blue moon is ok, to see what that person becomes after consuming alcohol and if that person is actually the same person.
Do you like to see women in tight clothing?
I'll take the bad with the good. So that is a yes
I have seen various music videos where the women are very pretty, skinny, and wear tight clothing or seductive intimates.
nice advertising
Where would you take a woman for your first date?
to the beach
Is intimacy really important on the first date?
if she asked me out, no. If I asked her out... It would be on my mind.

Seems to me like all the single girls my age only care about getting drunk every weekend and partying--and they tend to see single guys who don't as losers.

Intimacy isn't important on the first date; this is at least the case if you're looking for more than just a casual fling.

I don't see what I said... I always seem to lose in these feminist matters

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Losers: People who don't waste their lives consuming poison. Yeaaaaaaaaaaa....

I wear skimpy clothes sometimes, but it has nothing to do with self respect or lack thereof and everything to do with the weather. Hot weather = less clothes. The feeling of long pants sticking to leg sweat is gross and I'm in the house so much that I figure when I do go out in the sun, I might as well take advantage of it and soak in some vitamin D. When a guy takes his shirt off, I never assume he lacks self respect. I assume he's trying to cool off.

What have men done to you?

Considering the post you're responding to, I would say some of them made inaccurate judgements based on clothing.

That question is really vague. What, specifically, are you referring to?