Ugly Girl Entitlement Disorder (UGED) = Nice Guy (TM)?
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I'm pretty sure you have Nice Guy (tm) mixed up with a previous model - WishyWashy a***hole (tm)
That's what they are. Only wish washy as*holes would call themselves nice and then expect to be entitled to things like sex as a result of their self-proclaim niceness.
Same goes for the female counterparts who are the topic of this thread (except the stereotype has them chasing romance and marriage, not sex, though for some, it probably is sex: basically women are more complicated as a whole and harder to generalize).
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I really haven't seen many people with the attitude which you describe, who weren't American.
You might have a point. I definitely felt a lot happier during the two years I lived in another country.
Unfortunately, since so much of the world hates Americans and their attitude, it is very difficult for an American who wasn't born wealthy to move abroad permanently and have a viable career.
It's a bit ridiculous reading that article, they base the dating scene off 2 things: being entirely superficial and going into dating for their own personal satisfaction.
I feel bad for people who approach dating in such a manner. It's like a business transaction as someone previously pointed out.
Either way the stereotyping is ridiculous, just because a woman is overweight doesn't mean she should settle for any man who's interested. I can understand having "ridiculous standards" but at the same time, why settle if you're not happy? And even for the "broke unconfident male" or whatever, why settle for someone just to say you have someone? Oh, I'm skinny and broke with no confidence, I'm only going to date ugly fat chicks because that's all I can get.. it's entirely ridiculous. As long as two people are attracted to each other, get along and what not, who cares?
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Since when did you become both ugly AND interested in men?
I had no idea you were even remotely capable of either.
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I'm doing fine without one, but you know how consumer purchases can be... sometimes it's only once you have something, that you can appreciate how pleasant it is to have around.
Nice guy (TM)'s are typically entitled sh** heads who can't understand why any woman would ever say no to sex. Of course, this often leads to making occasional mistakes like rape.
The worst ones are hypersexual bronies who have a collection of kiddie porn. "Nice" usually means passive and beta; it has nothing to do with being a good person or not.
Trust me, you DON'T want one any more than I want these stupid entitled women.
I agree except for one thing. rape is not an 'occasional mistake' one makes out of desperation. it takes a special level of f****d up to go through it, not just a bit of loneliness. its like curing hunger with cannibalism.
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Since when did you become both ugly AND interested in men?
I had no idea you were even remotely capable of either.
I will END YOU
Not only are you awesome and hate men, you couldn't be a "nice girl (TM)" if you tried. You're missing one essential element.
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I'm doing fine without one, but you know how consumer purchases can be... sometimes it's only once you have something, that you can appreciate how pleasant it is to have around.
Nice guy (TM)'s are typically entitled sh** heads who can't understand why any woman would ever say no to sex. Of course, this often leads to making occasional mistakes like rape.
The worst ones are hypersexual bronies who have a collection of kiddie porn. "Nice" usually means passive and beta; it has nothing to do with being a good person or not.
Trust me, you DON'T want one any more than I want these stupid entitled women.
I agree except for one thing. rape is not an 'occasional mistake' one makes out of desperation. it takes a special level of f**** up to go through it, not just a bit of loneliness. its like curing hunger with cannibalism.
"occasional mistake" was a rhetorical device. Should have foreseen the literalism on an aspie board though.
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I feel bad for people who approach dating in such a manner. It's like a business transaction as someone previously pointed out.
Either way the stereotyping is ridiculous, just because a woman is overweight doesn't mean she should settle for any man who's interested. I can understand having "ridiculous standards" but at the same time, why settle if you're not happy? And even for the "broke unconfident male" or whatever, why settle for someone just to say you have someone? Oh, I'm skinny and broke with no confidence, I'm only going to date ugly fat chicks because that's all I can get.. it's entirely ridiculous. As long as two people are attracted to each other, get along and what not, who cares?
I know the girl in the first example. Her reason for someone dating her is that she is a nice/good person. The problem is, she's not even that. We had people leave out place of work because she would make assumptions or judgements about people, hold it against them forever (even though she was the one who made the assumption or judgement to begin with) and then proceed to never let it go, decide she didn't like them because they were "mean" and make their work life difficult. Having seen her interact with her own social group, she pretty much did the same thing.
She was the one who asked me advice about how to her a boyfriend. I asked if she had someone in particular in mind, or if not, what she was looking for. Not saying she shouldn't have a boyfriend, but like in my original post, I do think people need to be able to be honest with themselves before they are going to be ready to date.
Unfortunately most women I know have an entitlement attitude to some extent (not usually as bad as her, but it's still there). The ones I know who don't are usually either just really really naturally super nice and caring, have worked really damn hard for everything they have, or have had a really hard life and therefore appreciate things more.
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I have noticed quite a few overweight, sometimes very obese, also regular sized unattractive women who have similar ideals to the OP's first post.
Getting the chance to actually here them really talk, I've found that some of them actually have a higher than normal amount of sex partners. Often with guys that fit or are close to their criteria. You wouldn't initially think that's the case when you look at them. AT ALL.
The thing is that these men use them for extremely easily attainable sex when sex from more desirable women isn't as forthcoming. Basically, in the sexual lean times that every man goes through. This is often why "nice guys" are not even looked at or considered by these women and don't have a chance. They are being "occupied" on their spare time by more "Alpha Male" types that seem to get around to f*****g damn near all women not just the more "desirable" ones. That's why I think in a lot of cases some women aren't as hard up for sex. They are getting it, even when they are not in a relationship and don't feel the need to place requirements on Alpha Males. That's why they are technically still single and still pretty much alone.
The reason why you don't actually SEE this happening is cause the Alpha males aren't required to have friendships with them, take them out on dates, buy them stuff, or be seen with them in public at all. All he has to do is show up and he gets what he wants, how he wants, whenever he wants. To top it off, he doesn't have to reciprocate a damn thing if he doesn't want to. He's got all the control. She will do quite happily things to please them that she won't do for a regular guy. Not even in a committed relationship.
To make matters worse, women often don't "count" these interactions when discussing sexual history, because technically these men are not boyfriends, and they will only feel like sluts if they bring it up. They also don't want the regular guy to know that they can have sex with abandon that often primarily focuses on pleasuring the male, because frankly, the regular guy doesn't have what it takes to bring that out of them.
Also, the interactions with these men can often continue even when she finds an actual boyfriend. He is likely much less dominant and she can pretty much control him with behaviors such as withholding affection and sex. Afterall, she's not hard up for it.
Anyways, I kind of digressed. The point that I'm making is that these women often do in fact have relations with the kind of men they are looking for which makes them hopeful that in the future they can actually land one for a committed relationship that they can tell the world about and have a nice life with. It's not the case, they just get strung along for sex by partners that only want them in the bedroom, car, office, etc.
Before I get any backlash, I'm not saying ALL women are like this. Not all obese women are like this. Not all unattractive women are like this. I just noticed a lot more than meets the eye are.
Lastly, these women aren't necessarily psychotic for having their ideals. Having the "carrot" sometimes literally in their face makes them have hope, and it doesn't seem so far fetched to them.
Some women don't fit in this category, and yes, they are a little delusional.
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Getting the chance to actually here them really talk, I've found that some of them actually have a higher than normal amount of sex partners. Often with guys that fit or are close to their criteria. You wouldn't initially think that's the case when you look at them. AT ALL.
The thing is that these men use them for extremely easily attainable sex when sex from more desirable women isn't as forthcoming. Basically, in the sexual lean times that every man goes through. This is often why "nice guys" are not even looked at or considered by these women and don't have a chance. They are being "occupied" on their spare time by more "Alpha Male" types that seem to get around to f***ing damn near all women not just the more "desirable" ones. That's why I think in a lot of cases some women aren't as hard up for sex. They are getting it, even when they are not in a relationship and don't feel the need to place requirements on Alpha Males. That's why they are technically still single and still pretty much alone.
The reason why you don't actually SEE this happening is cause the Alpha males aren't required to have friendships with them, take them out on dates, buy them stuff, or be seen with them in public at all. All he has to do is show up and he gets what he wants, how he wants, whenever he wants. To top it off, he doesn't have to reciprocate a damn thing if he doesn't want to. He's got all the control. She will do quite happily things to please them that she won't do for a regular guy. Not even in a committed relationship.
To make matters worse, women often don't "count" these interactions when discussing sexual history, because technically these men are not boyfriends, and they will only feel like sluts if they bring it up. They also don't want the regular guy to know that they can have sex with abandon that often primarily focuses on pleasuring the male, because frankly, the regular guy doesn't have what it takes to bring that out of them.
Also, the interactions with these men can often continue even when she finds an actual boyfriend. He is likely much less dominant and she can pretty much control him with behaviors such as withholding affection and sex. Afterall, she's not hard up for it.
Anyways, I kind of digressed. The point that I'm making is that these women often do in fact have relations with the kind of men they are looking for which makes them hopeful that in the future they can actually land one for a committed relationship that they can tell the world about and have a nice life with. It's not the case, they just get strung along for sex by partners that only want them in the bedroom, car, office, etc.
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You're basically describing pump and dump.
I think in many cases, this is not "getting what they want." This is getting pumped and dumped. Although these women feel entitled to the moon, they are not really worth most mens' time except for casual sex. What's even more amusing is when these entitled women act shocked and offended and decide that "men are as*holes" because 8/10 men won't commit to a relationship with a 4/10 woman.
Getting the chance to actually here them really talk, I've found that some of them actually have a higher than normal amount of sex partners. Often with guys that fit or are close to their criteria. You wouldn't initially think that's the case when you look at them. AT ALL.
The thing is that these men use them for extremely easily attainable sex when sex from more desirable women isn't as forthcoming. Basically, in the sexual lean times that every man goes through. This is often why "nice guys" are not even looked at or considered by these women and don't have a chance. They are being "occupied" on their spare time by more "Alpha Male" types that seem to get around to f***ing damn near all women not just the more "desirable" ones. That's why I think in a lot of cases some women aren't as hard up for sex. They are getting it, even when they are not in a relationship and don't feel the need to place requirements on Alpha Males. That's why they are technically still single and still pretty much alone.
The reason why you don't actually SEE this happening is cause the Alpha males aren't required to have friendships with them, take them out on dates, buy them stuff, or be seen with them in public at all. All he has to do is show up and he gets what he wants, how he wants, whenever he wants. To top it off, he doesn't have to reciprocate a damn thing if he doesn't want to. He's got all the control. She will do quite happily things to please them that she won't do for a regular guy. Not even in a committed relationship.
To make matters worse, women often don't "count" these interactions when discussing sexual history, because technically these men are not boyfriends, and they will only feel like sluts if they bring it up. They also don't want the regular guy to know that they can have sex with abandon that often primarily focuses on pleasuring the male, because frankly, the regular guy doesn't have what it takes to bring that out of them.
Also, the interactions with these men can often continue even when she finds an actual boyfriend. He is likely much less dominant and she can pretty much control him with behaviors such as withholding affection and sex. Afterall, she's not hard up for it.
Anyways, I kind of digressed. The point that I'm making is that these women often do in fact have relations with the kind of men they are looking for which makes them hopeful that in the future they can actually land one for a committed relationship that they can tell the world about and have a nice life with. It's not the case, they just get strung along for sex by partners that only want them in the bedroom, car, office, etc.
Before I get any backlash, I'm not saying ALL women are like this. Not all obese women are like this. Not all unattractive women are like this. I just noticed a lot more than meets the eye are.
Lastly, these women aren't necessarily psychotic for having their ideals. Having the "carrot" sometimes literally in their face makes them have hope, and it doesn't seem so far fetched to them.
Some women don't fit in this category, and yes, they are a little delusional.
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