Female Pick-Up-Artists (PUA)

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I agree. Years ago, I had someone try all sorts of stuff on me, to try and get 'control' in the early stages of a relationship. I had much more experience than she had, so I could see that this wasn't natural behaviour for her. It was like she was trying to go in two different directions.

In the end, as I was reaching goodbye point rather rapidly, I asked her what the hell was going on, as she was behaving so bizarrely. To cut a long story short, we ended up reading parts of her new book collection together. Some bits I thought were good, some were horrendous. I found the books went just too far. There was a point where I picked up one of the books and threw it across the room - it was so anti-man, anti-human. How could you want a relationship so much you would want to reduce someone to a subservient, pet role?

Some people, of course, have very negative experience of relationships, have not been helped by parents, and will grasp at anything that promises them increased happiness. Even if someone else's suffers.

These books do promote manipulation - it is excused in part by the 'men really want you to be this way anyway' and the 'do you want your dream man or not?' I would argue that these books will get some women results - but they will end up with a certain type of man, who is just able to jump through hoops. The big danger is, of course, should a man recognise the woman's game and be able to play it back to her better...the woman could end up in deep waters, and actually convincing herself that this man is the 'real deal' when he's just two pages ahead of her every single time.

The books are designed to make money by preying on human weaknesses, just like PUA material. They have to be very strong in content to fill their pages, and to get people talking about them. They do offer some good advice. However, they are dangerous to the max for the reader and the target of their affections. Relationships that you control? Be careful what you wish for...

being a pickup artist is easier if you're a woman compared to being a man.

If she is at least somewhat attractive, all a woman has to do is show some interest and be flirty and the guys will come. For guys trying to get ladies, it's more difficult then that.

I would disagree on that one, and let me prove it with a simple example.
If a random woman approached you and said "Hi", would that "seduce" you?
I'll take it one step further, let's assume said woman is physically attractive. Would that be enough to seduce you? I'd hope your standards are higher than that.

Not seduced as getting a boner but, as a single and if in mood of looking, I wouldn't miss the chance to know her further (not every day a random woman approaches like that - you should consider the *rarity* of this event vs women being approached all the time); so yea in that case the hi would do its purpose: letting her to get to know me better (if that was her purpose).

Well, that's what I mean. The quotation implied that all a woman had to do was to show some interest and she would have any guy at their feet, while in reality any man with standards wouldn't immediately go for it and be seduced, she'd have to put more effort than just that.

We're DTF at hi if she's looking like Kate Beckinsale.

See there you women go complicating men again be attractive what is attractive as long as a woman isn't fat and even if she is fat all she has to do is walk up and say hi and be able to have a conversation that's it. Dont confuse what attracts women with what attracts men they work totally most times

Yes that would seduce me it has many times and if she is attractive hell yes iam a guy I have standards but iam not a women when I see an easy or free meal I take it simple as that.

Well, the PUA video isn't being specific about long-term potentials, from the way she's talking it's simply more about quick seduction and fun.

In that case, If the man is just for looking for sex then yeah he would go for it, the woman has just to be fairly attractive (at minimum level) to him like Who_am_I said. There are plenty of studies, not only one, about men/women and casual sex offers from strangers - and they all confirm how easy men for that.

It's quite unrealistic to not consider the gender.

All men have no standards besides "no fat chicks", and they'll abandon even that if the woman says hi. Gotcha.

For sex/casual things only, men have little standards, it's the truth and I am not being proud of generalizing this about men.

I think she implies in the video that "seduction" is useful for much more than just getting sex - it's for getting pretty much anything you want. That's even worse, though, because she is getting whatever it is she wants by implying that she might have sex with you in return - which she won't do, so that makes it misleading. No doubt she would object to it being stated that way and would say "it's just a game", "a bit of fun", etc., but what exactly is this game, when you think about it? It is the implicit promise of the possibility of sex in return for something desirable. The fact that she (very likely) doesn't intend to honour that promise is what makes it a game.

Of course, if the woman actually wanted sex from a man, she wouldn't need to do much. Certainly not that woman, seeing as she's reasonably attractive (leaving aside the fact that she comes across as a bit of a b***h). So I agree that "seduction for sex" would be quite easy for most women, but "seduction" in the more general sense takes a bit more work - and a bit less ethics.

I haven't read "The Rules", but I've read "Why Men Love B*tches". I can see some of what that woman meant...basically don't go out of your way for someone new, and let them chase you and work for you. I admit, that book did make me laugh! Honestly though, if I adopted the strategies she used, it would make me lose respect for the man I was manipulating. I don't know how you can feel for someone and treat them that way. even if it makes them like you more. How can I respect a man who only likes me when I distance myself and manipulate him?

"Experienced" (whisper: bitter) women often advise other women to do this all the time.

That is very true Boo. You wouldn't believe the awful advice I get from bitter old women.

I'm curious. What other awful advice do you get from bitter old women? Do bitter old men come up with anything better?