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Have you experienced similar? (only answer if you are male)
yes 12%  12%  [ 8 ]
no 88%  88%  [ 57 ]
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01 Feb 2014, 4:35 pm

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... However, if you're worried about what would happen if someone was drinking and said no/did not respond/was easy manipulated, and you don't know if you could control yourself, I would recommend seeking help.

How can you read the first post ant not recommend seeking help?



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01 Feb 2014, 5:28 pm

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How can you read the first post ant not recommend seeking help?

I really don't think this is such a big deal.

Violent fantasies are not uncommon. The OP is concerned, I guess, that he has had these thoughts, but if he has taken no action, then I think it's perfectly normal.


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01 Feb 2014, 5:32 pm

Well maybe I come accross as a bit harsh on people who are excited at the idea of raping someone, but I view rape as the 3rd most serious crime in the world. High treason is worse than murder, and murder is worse than rape.

Even while I could not get a woman while I strongly wanted a woman for company, friendship and SEX I had the respect for females which would not allow me to force myself on one. I also had the self respect not to allow my self to drop to such a low level.

I take a dim view of rapists, I hold a view that if I can behave myself then why should they be allowed to commit these vile crimes. I think that rapists get too light a sentance when they are convicted, I think that the criminal justice system does not offer a punishment which a just reward for their degenerate actions.


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01 Feb 2014, 5:36 pm

Thoughts aren't actions. Thinking of rape doesn't equal rape.


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01 Feb 2014, 5:38 pm

When I started going through puberty at like 10 I sometimes had urges to rape girls I was around at school but I never acted on it of corse. The urges were related to hormones(high sex drive) & bad OCD that got hung-up on the idea; my OCD caused me to occasionally visualize myself doing it & other things kind of like a visual hallucination type thing. The rape stuff quit 1ce I started masturbating alot & my OCD changed/shifted about thing after I quit being a teen. I hadn't had any of those visual OCD things in aLONG time & I'm on meds for OCD nowadays. I'm a different person mentally in some ways than when I was a teen & the idea really freaks me out now.


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01 Feb 2014, 5:48 pm

Deuterium wrote:
How can you read the first post ant not recommend seeking help?


The OP seems to know right from wrong. He does not seem to want to revel in others' rape stories/fantasies. He has not mentioned enjoying those thoughts/reactions. He specifically posted "doing something horrible", as in rape is horrible to him. Due to the fact he regards rape as horrible, one can conclude it's probably more likely he would have remorse and is not a sociopath. He specifically mentioned he hasn't had this experience since he has had sex. Depending on how long ago that was, a significant period of time could have passed by now. If not, this may still be an issue, true. However, I know what it's like to have all sorts of sick crap enter your brain as if it's on autopilot. However, I would NEVER harm someone in that way, EVER.

I don't persecute thought crimes, but I'm also not saying that thoughts can't be an indicator of future action. All I'm saying if the OP has respected the use of the word no, and trusts himself not to take advantage of a person under the influence, then he should be fine. A large percentage of people report knowing their rapist. That's why I asked the questions specifically about alcohol, as rapists overwhelmingly use that as a tool to carry out the rape.

As long as someone isn't actively having these experiences and/or enjoying rape stories, I find no reason to conclude this person needs mental help. If he didn't trust himself, though, of course I would recommend it.



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01 Feb 2014, 5:53 pm

When I have been in stressful situations I have started looking for objects that can be used as weapons. I think about what I could do with them. There is never an intended victim - it is the act of violence itself that I think about.


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01 Feb 2014, 6:09 pm

To answer your question, OP, in the most literal sense, yes I've had similar thoughts, but not to the degree of analysis you've described. I think that everybody, upon seeing an attractive person alone, sometimes wonders on some level what he/she is up to, ow ow. Certainly I've imagined what it would take to get her alone, and I'll grudgingly admit to envisioning less than appropriate fantasies of what I would do, if only she would become my personal slave. And like nick007, I haven't had these thoughts since I was a teenager. But occasionally I wish I was Bruce Almighty with the power to lift up women's skirts ^.^



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01 Feb 2014, 6:11 pm

Nah. I mean sure I've had rape fantasies before, I've had all kinds of fantasies in my head but I wouldn't want to actually rape a woman. I don't think about women I just see on the street either, that's definitely a sign your mental health needs improvement...



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01 Feb 2014, 6:25 pm

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I can't imagine how anyone could enjoy sex with another person who did not desire them in return. I wouldn't even want sex with a prostitute unless she could at least pretend she was happy to see me.

I used to have a 'friend' (one of those people who chose to befriend me, rather against my personal preferences), who once confessed to elaborate rape and abduction fantasies and I have no doubt if he'd thought he could have gotten away with it, he'd have done it in a minute. Perhaps not so surprisingly, this person was also rather larcenous, especially when drinking hard liquor - you couldn't go to the restroom without worrying that he'd steal something while you were gone - and was quite enamored of television and movie gangsters, I remember him being a rabid fan of Miami Vice back in the 80s and it was only years later I realized he loved the show not because he liked watching the cops - he wanted to be one of the villains. Eventually he became an addict, got caught up in the meth trade and went to prison. I guess he knows a little something about rape now.

I also once worked with a kid who had part time jobs taking photographs for the local police department and working the late shift at a mortuary, who got carried away in conversation and made some very disturbing comments about the lovely cadaver of a girl he went to school with who'd recently died in a car accident. He never actually confessed to abusing a corpse, but he had clearly given the idea a lot of thought. Sweet kid. Demented, but sweet.


Check the link in my previous post, that's the component of difference between us and rapists. Rapists get aroused by the idea of forced sex.


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Umm, no. People should get locked up for things they do, not things they've thought about doing. If someone isn't actually harming anyone there is no need for therapy either. Also women can have rape fantasies too.

This is the first time I've heard of someone actually wanting to rape someone in real-life circumstances though, although most people wouldn't confess to something like that even if they've thought it.

Has anyone else answered yes in the poll? (I'm female, I can't see the results)


An indian girl once skyped me telling me she has rape fantasies and she acts on them, like going to dangerous places at night hoping to get raped.

Crazy stuff, I wasn't believing what i was hearing.


If she wants it that isn't rape though...although yes, I'd call that a rape fantasy. The men in the fantasy want to rape her.

I was talking about women wanting to rape other women or other men. This exists.


She actually said she got raped like this and liked it, she's also into bdms.

I think these fantasies are more common among the population though, and it may takes into a consent form of rape fantasies, like BDSM. BDMS is all about rape-simulation and forced sex (regardless of the tools), I looked into erotic online communities and I've noticed that women are more likely to be into 'submissive/victim/slave' role in it than 'dominant/slave', I personally see no appeal in it either way.



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01 Feb 2014, 6:27 pm

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Thoughts aren't actions. Thinking of rape doesn't equal rape.


Georges Sodini always thought of killing women, and he ended up killing some for real.

I wonder if the OP has some hatred toward women in general.



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01 Feb 2014, 6:35 pm

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Check the link in my previous post, that's the component of difference between us and rapists. Rapists get aroused by the idea of forced sex.


Quite aware of that. Wasn't aware this was the "State the Obvious Common Knowledge" thread. :roll:



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01 Feb 2014, 6:39 pm

It is not an obvious common knowledge, people know little about the rapist "sexuality". And some radical feminists believe that most men have a required rooted mindset to be rapists, that's not true tho.



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01 Feb 2014, 6:50 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It is not an obvious common knowledge, people know little about the rapist "sexuality". And some radical feminists believe that most men have a required rooted mindset to be rapists, that's not true tho.


According to my studies, most men are expected to have a subconscious rape psychology, but it has be triggered by abusive female peers. If a man has a rape psychology, feminists can blame themselves for it.



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01 Feb 2014, 6:56 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It is not an obvious common knowledge, people know little about the rapist "sexuality". And some radical feminists believe that most men have a required rooted mindset to be rapists, that's not true tho.


Yep most of them are sociopaths.



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01 Feb 2014, 7:36 pm

crubs wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
It is not an obvious common knowledge, people know little about the rapist "sexuality". And some radical feminists believe that most men have a required rooted mindset to be rapists, that's not true tho.


According to my studies, most men are expected to have a subconscious rape psychology, but it has be triggered by abusive female peers. If a man has a rape psychology, feminists can blame themselves for it.


I want to be verbally abusive to you for making a stupid comment like that but I'm afraid you would become a rapist and blame me.