Trouble with flirting.....

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So how did they begin?

They begin by being compatible in every way; class-wise, career, looks, ...etc. That's half of the battle really.
The guys came in different shapes and personalities(introverts, extroverts, social, nonsocial...etc) did have what it takes to be a man in a relationship: life-savvy, life skills, good job, car of course (not fancy but not broken either)...etc
This is the common element between all the guys I've seen in relationships, and no, none of them is jerk (some were bullies, wtv). I don't recall any of them started flirting in the pre-relationship phase. Analyzing and recalling back, there were a lot of mutual nonverbal attraction signs indeed but not flirting.

Flirting alone is stupid and lame, it's not what women seek in men, it might be only useful for teens and pua players.

I'm doomed

The only one of those things I have is a car.

The Face of Boo isn't every woman out there....there are some that are less high maintenance.

Are you in relationship, Aristo?

My current relationship status has no bearing on this discussion whatsoever-- since I've been a child my only friends have been women so I've gotten to know a lot about them. The women I associate with, the only quality they'd agree was a deal-breaker is life-savvy. Good job, car, those would be a plus but not necessary. I hang around very independent women that don't want a provider, they want a partner. My sister is in business marketing and makes a good paycheck, her boyfriend does odd jobs and gets paid like shit-- she's totally smitten by him nonetheless. A friend of mine who's a school teacher, her husband is a garbage man-- they've been married 6 years. These men didn't make huge paychecks but had good personalities, good work ethic, and confidence which I think was more important than the economic aspect. Not all women are alike, if you need a guy with a kickin' car, a job that makes bank, and looks like a model then more power to you, but not every female has those same qualities on her relationship check list. Perhaps your culture is different than mine in their gender expectations. Either way, to my senses, based on the conversations I've had with the women I know in my life your expectations sound high maintenance to me. For the record, it's been 6 years relationship free for me and I'm very happy with that situation-- I have too many things I want to do solo, a partner would just slow me down.

If they live in an area with good public transportation then perhaps a car won't matter much; notice that I didn't mention having his own place because it's not a social expectation here but it is be there, not? That's even more costly than the car. Half of my friends are women too btw.



Don't just rely on conversations, people talk idealism all the time, just observe all couples instead and by that I mean not just your friends and not just the atypical exceptions.

I myself am atypical in a lot of ways and thus respect that in others. I would trust my atypical friends' opinions more than I would a conformist because an atypical person has probably thought deep and hard about what they really need and want, whereas a conformist never questions and thus never evolves-- they sit when told and wait to receive their social treat.

You're right a majority of women may differ from the women I know-- that's not what I was getting at. My point is that not all women have the same requirements, there are some that are much more interested in a deep connection than a business style check list. I mean if you went to the middle of the Sudan and mentioned your checklist that would invalidate 99.9% of the male population there and probably get you kidnapped. Different locations have different gender norms, different classes have different expectations.

If you go to Sudan with such perks, lots of women (and parents) there would want to marry them. In south Lebanon, everyone is crazy about the UN personnel here and what's funny that they rarely marry local Christians but when a foreigner guy comes along with visa and such perks the religions difference doesn't matter anymore.

Now I'm really doomed





Gamer over man, gamer over

Eh the f**k man, what did you expect?? Women falling for you for your retro gaming skills?

Grow up man.

Dude, that IS flirting!IS

Not at all, flirting is voluntary and usually not serious.
Signs aren't voluntary.

I wasn't expecting much to begin with. I never expect much.